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hey everyone welcome to your fab live

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stream today's guest is going to be

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charles michael beaver he goes by mike

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and uh here in a bit i'm going to be

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asking him to get a little bit into his

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background information but before that i

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just would like to cover a few things um

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so the conference ozark mountain ufo

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conference went well

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there was in person it was great and

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of course on my end we had a little some

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of the streaming issues but it got

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worked out

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the following day the hotel was great

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they responded to to whatever we were

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asking but the telephone company were i

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guess um

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a little bit more hesitant we i just i

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guess wasn't persuasive enough to show

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them that it was their line that's the

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problem and and not something let's say

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like our equipment and whatnot but

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anyway we worked it all out and um um if

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some of you watching were there um i'm

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sorry if i didn't see you you should

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have come up and said hello um the other

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part is um i'm sounding a little bit

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raspier than usual that's because i'm

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getting over a cold so that explains

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that and

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as always uh

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after we're done with the interview

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we're going to open it up for some q a

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and i'm basically going to

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uh ask ask you uh

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that are watching on uh

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youtube and twitch if if you're

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submitting a question please make sure

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to use three asterixes before the

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question because that means it's a

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question directed for mike and not just

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some random chatter that you guys are

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having in the chat rooms if um you would

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like to talk to mike directly and ask a

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join the telegram group that's also

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going on live right now uh telegram is

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voice only and you can only listen but

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when the time comes uh there's a little

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button where you raise your hand and

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i'll add you to my queue to then

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have you come in and asked a question

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i think that pretty much covers all all

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that part

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and um i guess without any uh further

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ado let me let me bring in mike um

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welcome mike thanks for being on how are

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well um i'm glad uh um this worked out

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for us uh originally uh we've had this

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actually mike reached out to me a lot

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a lot sooner it was like maybe in

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february or so but i was just so busy

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with the conference coming up and all

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kinds of other things i just asked would

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april work and he agreed so i was happy

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so mike i figured if we can get a little

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bit into your uh background information

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and uh we'll start out with that and

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then we'll cover some other subjects

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well professionally i'm an i.t geek i

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work with computers information

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i've been doing that for well i've been

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touching computers for over 41 years

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professional for

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close to 30 around 30 years

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i started out in the days of the

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mainframe when that was all that existed

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in junior high and then

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i've done everything you can imagine my

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customers include the ca the fbi

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library congress

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oil companies uh

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just all kinds of

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organizations um

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i sat in the room with uh do you

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remember david petraeus

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um i can't say i do was he a general or

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yeah he was the four star that ran the

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afghan conflict

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daily briefing i was in the middle of

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that i sat in there with 10 generals

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there was a general rodriguez is a two

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day-to-day conflict of afghan war

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i've worked in afghanistan several times

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and uh in one one of those

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my customer was nato

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and i was sitting in the war room

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with john rodriguez and about

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eight or nine other generals

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and watching like 20 30 drone feeds go

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through raytheon

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servers and being projected up on a wall

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that's one of the jobs i had and uh

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another one i worked at the world's

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largest training center of any kind the

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army medical department center school i

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worked with another fellow and we

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stopped a congressional investigation

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that was something

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donald trump couldn't even do as the

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president but me and this other fellow

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actually stopped a congressional

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investigation together that's another

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thing i did anyway

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i used to be a hypnotherapist as a

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hypnotherapist i

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worked with one abductee who had

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72 encounters with the grays 24

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implantations 24 checkups and 24

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removals she was used as a breeder

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she came to me

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for back pain and obesity and i worked

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with her as hypno therapist also worked

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with another guy

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to help him remove

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an attaching spirit he had

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i worked as a stuntman in the movie

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industry

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falling off buildings getting doing

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car hits and bullet hits and things like

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what else have i done i have been a

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ufologist

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i've known uh several of the founders of

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mufon john schussler one of the founders

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investigated me

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my encounters back in the early days um

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around the time that cash the cash

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phantom case he released that to the

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that he was investigating around that

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times when he's investigating my stuff

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uh i knew peter davenport i don't know

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if you know who he is i get from with

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new fork

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uh i used to go to his meetings i've

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been around ufology for

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my whole life my first encounter was

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october 3rd 1980. i've got a book that

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is unpublished and

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i think that is probably

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all of the uh

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you know that's a short i'm a contactee

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i'm not an abductee

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and um i've had uh encounters with craft

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more than half a dozen

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and a few two or three encounters with

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creatures but uh i'm i've never been

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abducted or taken on board a craft or

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anything of that nature and the beings i

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like any of the ones that people talk

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about but uh

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the free report mentions the kind of

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things that i saw but

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the ones that people talk about it's

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really odd that the ones most people see

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are the ones that are least talked about

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and it's odd

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anyway that's me in a nutshell

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appreciate it um yeah and i had i had a

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chance to interview uh um

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oh it's not forgot his name davenport

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what's his first name

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peter davenport peter davenport and um

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it was funny he he sat down we were kind

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of talk talking and i had a release for

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him at that time i was doing release

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release forms and i guess it just got

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him nervous or hesitant and he said i'm

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sorry i can't do this i just kind of got

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up and walked walked out but i would

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have loved to have an interview with him

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he had some interesting people come to

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he had a fellow come there that

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the phoenix lights and the guy was like

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on the freeway driving along and the

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craft that is mentioned for the phoenix

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lights was like moving parallel with him

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down the freeway and then he made a turn

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kind of turned and it's like it was

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moving around it wasn't just stationary

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being stationary in the sky but it

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wasn't it moved around a lot so

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anyway he had a lot of very interesting

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one of his that was

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his meetings that was uh privy to the

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blue book she was

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working as a secretary for the military

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when uh blue book was going on and she

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talked about that and you know it was

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uh group of people to get together with

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until he stopped having him because he

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he lost his a lot of money investing in

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one of the uh he had to pay money decent

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amount of money for this place he was

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renting to have the meetings and he got

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kind of lost a lot of money one time and

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he decided not to have the meetings

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anymore after that so

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especially uh venues

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before or after but pandemic were always

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a difficult thing to get so uh mike i

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guess um because you know we talked a

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little bit and we know um how much you

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have to cover regarding uh spirit

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attachment and some of the other

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subjects so i figured i'll let you get

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into that and um you know we'll take it

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well uh i have two attaching spirits i

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have one that sits on my head and one

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that sits on my back they're both

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demonic

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uh i was sitting across a uh there was a

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girl i used to go over to her apartment

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she was uh into

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doing uh the outer body

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uh thing with rob remember have you ever

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tried robert monroe's

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tapes have you ever listened to his uh

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hemispheric synchronization tapes have

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you ever listened to them no i have not

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they were the first hemisync uh

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technology to hit the

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the mass market

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they were on

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just audio tape and uh i would take a

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copy i had over there with a headset

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with a some headphones and i'd lay down

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this was in a group you know she had

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eight or ten people

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at this at her apartment that

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everybody's trying to get out of their

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body using these

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uh robert monroe

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uh journey tapes

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and

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after

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we did that

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and we're all done and everybody's gone

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we would i would be sitting there

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talking to her she'd be sitting on the

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other side of this

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card table and

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she looked up at me and she said you

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know you have an imp jumping around on

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the top of your head

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and i was like yes i know that

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and it was at that time at that moment

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jumping around on the top of my head

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it's never done that before or since

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it's usually stationary it never moves

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around

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and but at that moment it was jumping

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around so i knew she could see it

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because she described it and what it was

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doing it also at the same time

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in portland oregon

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and

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uh i was actually in a jail cell with a

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fellow

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and um

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he i was meditating i was sitting in

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semilotus

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on the on the concrete floor in the jail

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cell it's like on the sixth floor of

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this

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building

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and he's

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sitting he's my

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cell mate he's sitting on the bottom

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bunk

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looking at me or just looking out

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and i'm sitting there doing kriya yoga

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and bowing forward and doing side to

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side and then coming up and i would and

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you're cycling your consciousness

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through your body to get your

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chi flowing

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you put your mind

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on your crown and also split it between

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there and your

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different chakras in your body

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energy points and

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i was doing that

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and

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you realize you have a demon sticking

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its tail in your back

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and i was and at that time i did i

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wasn't unlike the girl i wasn't aware

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that i had

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an attaching spirit on my back i was

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only familiar with the one on my head

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but when he said that i could feel the

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sharp pain

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sticking in my back

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and it and i moved my awareness there to

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to to notice the sharp pain

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and

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when i'm as i'm

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focusing my my awareness on that sharp

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pain i can also feel the

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energy around

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the sharp pain on the surface of my skin

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in that location in my back

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and noticing that signature in addition

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to the sharp pain i realized that he was

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correct that i also had a an additional

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attaching spirit on my back

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and so i realized he was telling the

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truth

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and

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so those are the two people

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that come to my mind when you ask me has

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anybody seen your attaching spirit those

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two people uh for the first ones that

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come to my mind but other people have

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seen them as well nobody has seen

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that fellow in that jail cell is the

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only one who's seen the one on my back

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but other people have seen the one in my

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head but i i can't remember who they

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were

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where those other

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events are

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or happened

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so anyway um

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i'd been trying to get rid of my

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attaching spirits for a while my wife

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and i lived in portland oregon

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and

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there was

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i was looking through the penny ads

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and i looking for a healer and so i saw

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this ad for healer

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and i called this lady up and i told her

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my issue

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with my attaching spirits and she said

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well come on down to where i'm at she

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gave me her address

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and then she lived with her husband in

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southern oregon and portland where i

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lived is on the northern edge of oregon

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it's right on the border of

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and so

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we went my wife and i went in our car

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from

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portland down to southern oregon

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and we walked in this lady's

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parked the car you know pulled on this

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couple's lot

403
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out of the middle of nowhere and

404
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got out of the car and walked into her

405
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her husband's double wide

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mobile home

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and

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her friend man goes

409
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you're healed

410
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and i looked at her and in my mind i was

411
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like i was thinking you idiot

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and

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i know she she couldn't heal me that you

414
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know there's nobody who has that

415
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uh well nobody i've met who has that

416
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kind of power and so i knew she was

417
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deluding herself

418
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and but

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um

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[Music]

421
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she wasn't trying to delude me she just

422
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had that

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belief in herself

424
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so anyway my wife and i hung around

425
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at her

426
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piece of land

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for that day

428
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i rode around on his motorcycle once and

429
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anyway

430
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uh nothing happened of any note while we

431
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were there but then we left and went

432
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went back home up to

433
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northern

434
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oregon up to portland

435
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and then uh

436
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two to six weeks later

437
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she calls me and says

438
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i talk she's when i get on the phone

439
00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:12,959
with her she says

440
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i talked to my psychic friend about your

441
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issue

442
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and i said yeah and she said

443
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she said that you got it from smoking

444
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but i didn't see you smoke do you smoke

445
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and you know she and she is her friend

446
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didn't tell her

447
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smoking what

448
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she just said smoking

449
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and she assumed that her friend was

450
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talking about cigarettes

451
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and i said to her

452
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uh i've smoked two cigarettes in my

453
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entire life

454
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:42,720
but

455
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your friend is correct

456
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i smoked maro i stayed high on pot

457
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morning and night for 18 years from the

458
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age of 16 to age of 34

459
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and uh

460
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so yeah i s i've smoked all my life but

461
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it's not cigarettes

462
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and so i realized at that moment

463
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that i

464
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acquired my attaching spirits by smoking

465
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marijuana

466
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uh morning noon and night for 18 years

467
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from the age of 16 the age of 34.

468
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so

469
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moving on let's let me think about this

470
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for a second where i should go

471
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next okay so

472
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um

473
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forward to

474
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[Music]

475
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i was

476
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[Music]

477
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i worked in afghanistan

478
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several different times

479
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and then one of those the last time i

480
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was over there

481
00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:45,520
i had a run in with my site supervisor

482
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and he got he fired me

483
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and i

484
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got

485
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in order to get your tax break you have

486
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to

487
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um

488
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you have to

489
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be out of the country for 285 days of

490
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that year to get your tax break and he

491
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fired me like

492
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16 days

493
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short of that 285

494
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day

495
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minimum for the tax break so when i got

496
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back in the united states i had to go

497
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back out of the country for another 16

498
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days

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to get the tax break so i was like i

500
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tried to get my wife to go to um

501
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to go to greece but she doesn't she's

502
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afraid of flying over the ocean so

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i instead of

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going to greece i went to peru

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and did the ayahuasca for

506
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several times

507
00:19:38,670 --> 00:19:35,840
and that

508
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opened me up to

509
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[Music]

510
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being psychic

511
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i was for two years of my life from the

512
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time i did the ayahuasca three times

513
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outside the vequitos peru in the jungle

514
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peruvian jungle

515
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for two years after that i was open

516
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psychically

517
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tremendously

518
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like a super psychic

519
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:01,760
and

520
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i could see

521
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like

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the darkness

523
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all kinds of

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it's it's really odd

525
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,400
um

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hold on one second i'll shut my door my

527
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:14,559
my dog just opened the door

528
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okay

529
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:18,799
um so

530
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:21,520
all the noi all the noise from my wife's

531
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tv is coming to the door so

532
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so

533
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uh when i say i was like a super psychic

534
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:31,679
when you can when you're that open

535
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psychically it's not just that

536
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you

537
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but it's also that

538
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this the uh

539
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:42,480
[Music]

540
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:44,480
the barriers between you

541
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:46,880
and what's outside of you are thinner

542
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:50,240
so you're not just seeing the darkness

543
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:53,280
better much better but the darkness is

544
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:56,640
seeing you as well much better and it's

545
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,039
like wanting to come at you

546
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and so

547
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:03,200
you know like i'd be in my apartment and

548
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,480
i'd hear

549
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:06,880
knocking or you know i guess my wife

550
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,240
could hear it too

551
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:10,000
but it would be this pounding like

552
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,840
something was trying to get in

553
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:13,679
to the room but it's outside that the

554
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:16,000
noise is coming from outside the room

555
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:17,360
and uh

556
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:18,720
i'd be

557
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,039
um

558
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:23,520
my wife and i'd be in bed

559
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,919
trying to sleep and we'd be half asleep

560
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:27,440
and half a week

561
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:30,320
and our two dogs would be

562
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,840
in the bed with us

563
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,960
and

564
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:35,039
things just all kinds of strange things

565
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:36,559
would happen but

566
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:39,360
uh one of the ones i remember was

567
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,039
like it would be like a hand grenade

568
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:43,760
going off in the living room

569
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,480
i mean a real loud explosion

570
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,720
and the dogs would jump up and start

571
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,120
barking their heads off right and so i

572
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,360
get up and i go in the living room and

573
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:55,120
there's nothing in there

574
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,720
there's no

575
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,400
it wasn't like a pounding on the floor

576
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,880
on the wall it was just a huge

577
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a very loud explosion

578
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:04,640
and there's nothing in there to cause

579
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,000
that and things like that would happen

580
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:10,159
uh and a lot worse than that would

581
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,520
happen for uh happened to me and my wife

582
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,120
for two years it wasn't just something

583
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:17,679
in my head when i say the barriers were

584
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,480
were less i'm not just saying

585
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:22,320
in my head i'm more psychic i'm saying

586
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,600
the bears around me you have a you have

587
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,360
uh layers of

588
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,679
of uh energy that are

589
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:31,520
that hug your body that are literally

590
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:34,320
touching your body and you have layers

591
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,559
on top of those going out

592
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:38,960
way beyond the room that you're in

593
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,919
and so anyway the

594
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,520
marijuana

595
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:45,360
made swiss cheese out of the barriers

596
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:47,679
that are immediately around me which let

597
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,640
the top attaching spirits come in

598
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:52,159
and then the

599
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:53,440
the

600
00:23:03,190 --> 00:22:57,360
uh

601
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,200
that's part of the ayahuasca the active

602
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,120
part of the ayahuasca

603
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:07,200
uh opened up other barriers that are

604
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,960
further out from my body that allowed

605
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,799
um

606
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:14,320
that allowed these other things to

607
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,360
happen

608
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,799
and so

609
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:18,000
um

610
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:19,520
there's a lot more to that but i'm not

611
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:22,159
going to give you everything my wife had

612
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,120
her

613
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,919
she got possessed one day and

614
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:27,840
and i almost spent two years in jail

615
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:30,159
because i confined her to a space

616
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,600
because she wasn't in control of her

617
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:33,360
body your eyes were

618
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,720
going black and red and white rolling up

619
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,360
the top of her head and she was frozen

620
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,360
standing there for like

621
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:44,159
uh for like i don't know 10 15 20

622
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:45,120
minutes

623
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,600
confine her to his face and almost spent

624
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,520
two years in prison because of it

625
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,279
i'll skip over that event though that's

626
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,960
that's like an hour-long

627
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:54,320
conversa uh

628
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,440
event

629
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:56,880
so

630
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:00,870
uh

631
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:03,279
basically if you read the title of my

632
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,919
book you understand

633
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,240
the name what i believe about attaching

634
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:10,080
spirits i believe that ever that

635
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:11,840
everybody has

636
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:14,400
that most everybody all humans have two

637
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:16,840
or more attaching spirits

638
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:19,679
and i believe

639
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:22,400
just like the title of the book states

640
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:23,440
um

641
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:25,600
i'll read you the title of the book it's

642
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,279
called instruments of control it's

643
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,240
unpublished instruments of control

644
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:32,880
how attaching spirits cause war

645
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,480
terrorism crime racism murder insanity

646
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:38,960
mental illness molestation marital

647
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:41,760
discord suicide and many other illnesses

648
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:43,840
and our leading humanity

649
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:48,480
impending fall

650
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,440
so

651
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:51,840
basically i'm trying to say

652
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,470
is that

653
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,720
dark spirits attaching spirits cause all

654
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,960
the problems on this planet

655
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,720
and so

656
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,760
uh

657
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,919
there was something i had i was about to

658
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:07,919
say it and i lost my

659
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:10,000
train of thought

660
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:12,080
anyway

661
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,440
if

662
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,320
let's see one second here

663
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,080
i'm going to think about this for a

664
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,480
second oh yeah so

665
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,640
um

666
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:24,240
one second i'm going through my notes

667
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:25,600
because

668
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,400
i want to not miss anything

669
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,830
in addition to the two people i just

670
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,919
mentioned that has seen my attaching

671
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,880
spirits

672
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,720
there was a

673
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:40,480
person i was working for the air force

674
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:41,760
at wilford hall

675
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,000
their forces at one time it was the air

676
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,400
force's largest medical facility

677
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,640
and

678
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,559
there was a

679
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,400
fellow there very technical fellow there

680
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,279
that i met at lunch and we

681
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,440
shook hands and sat down and his dad was

682
00:26:03,430 --> 00:25:59,840
an exorcist or is an excess if he's

683
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,440
still alive and he would help his dad

684
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:05,440
hold people down while he was exercising

685
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:06,320
them

686
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:07,360
and

687
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:10,400
he said you know after we sat down

688
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:13,039
he said you know i told him

689
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,159
uh basically about my attaching spirits

690
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,760
that's almost the first thing i said to

691
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,440
him at this lunch

692
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:21,039
meeting that we had we were talking

693
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,400
about all kinds of you know he told me

694
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,640
about his dad and all that and he said

695
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,720
the moment he shook my hand that he knew

696
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,159
i had issues

697
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:30,000
with uh attaching spirits though he

698
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,960
didn't

699
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,960
say it exactly like that

700
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:34,640
so he's the third person that could

701
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,120
verify that i have something going on

702
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:40,000
now there are a bunch of people

703
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,840
in addition to the people who've seen my

704
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:43,520
touching spirits

705
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:46,799
uh during the two years i was

706
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:49,360
psychically opened up like a

707
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,640
can of a can with a can opener

708
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,400
there were many times i saw other

709
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:56,400
people's

710
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,440
issues

711
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,760
now i've only seen one attaching spirit

712
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,960
directly

713
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:01,919
i was

714
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:05,679
standing in

715
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:08,559
manassas when i came back to the united

716
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,600
states

717
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:11,039
from that

718
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:14,240
war zone in afghanistan after going to

719
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,440
peru on the you know i came back stopped

720
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:20,240
at my mother's and then went to peru for

721
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,000
another 19 days to cover the taxes

722
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,240
open you know took the ayahuasca several

723
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,640
times it opened me up and then when i

724
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:30,720
came back again in the united states my

725
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:33,440
wife was living in manassas virginia

726
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:34,480
and

727
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,520
so

728
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,320
that apartment we lived in in manassas

729
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,000
was the most psychically active

730
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,480
apartment i've ever been in my life

731
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,679
and

732
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:45,039
um

733
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:46,559
i was standing

734
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,360
there was a lady at the um

735
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:51,440
on the other end of this same building i

736
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,399
was in

737
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,720
who who had all these religious symbols

738
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,159
crosses

739
00:28:03,750 --> 00:27:58,799
and pictures of jesus and stuff she came

740
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,760
home one day front door was open and or

741
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,600
she walked in her apartment

742
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,279
and all of her crosses and everything

743
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,600
were turned upside down while she was

744
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:11,039
going to work

745
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,399
so it was a very dark

746
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:17,600
property so anyway um

747
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:23,510
apartment

748
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,559
building

749
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,279
in the courtyard one day and this lady

750
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,200
she had lupus and i have a feeling that

751
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,960
lupus was caused by her attaching

752
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:32,000
spirits

753
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:32,880
but

754
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,960
um i think she had a gen not a demon or

755
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,120
a human attachment but a gen

756
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,440
and the reason why i say that is because

757
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:43,120
hold on a second shut my door again my

758
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:02,470
there we go i was muted uh for those of

759
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,440
you uh joining just now um mike was just

760
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,039
uh um

761
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,880
basically expounding on the different

762
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,399
attaching spirits and the different

763
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,120
experiences he's had um i just wanted to

764
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,039
interject and use this opportunity to

765
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:17,200
let you all know later on when we do

766
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,520
some questions and answers

767
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,640
please

768
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,360
make sure to if you are commenting on

769
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,240
youtube or twitch to use uh three

770
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:28,480
asterixes before your question so that

771
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,279
way i know it's directed towards mike

772
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,679
there's also a telegram

773
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,360
voice chat going on right now where you

774
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,600
can also listen to this interview

775
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,600
at the moment and

776
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:41,200
if you would like to ask a question

777
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:42,320
directly

778
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,840
that would be your chance because

779
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,200
there's option where you can raise your

780
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:47,200
hand and then you can ask

781
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:49,279
the question of mike yourself

782
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:52,840
so um let me let me get back to mike

783
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,840
here all right mike uh sorry i had to uh

784
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,679
just figured i'd use the chance to to do

785
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,679
this real quick so

786
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,039
um

787
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:02,799
uh please continue where you had left

788
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,919
off

789
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:05,200
okay so

790
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,120
the slit it's in broad daylight this

791
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:10,159
lady is standing about six feet from me

792
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,120
and

793
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,960
this is the only time i've ever seen it

794
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,799
somebody's attaching spirit

795
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,399
so

796
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,960
um we're talk she and i are talking

797
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:20,720
and she

798
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,000
this uh spirit that's within her

799
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:26,960
came straight off her back straight up

800
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:30,159
off her body like straight up in the air

801
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:31,679
and then

802
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,640
uh it moved at me very quickly but it

803
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,279
looked like um

804
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:39,919
a long time ago we used to have

805
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,120
there were cartoons where you saw jen

806
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:46,000
uh like i dreamed of jeannie but not

807
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:47,679
um

808
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,360
you know we used to picture jen like uh

809
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,039
men who were

810
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:54,720
um

811
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:57,360
over-muscled men that were bigger than

812
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,559
life

813
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:01,039
and you wouldn't see their lower body

814
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,720
but you'd only see their upper body from

815
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,120
like the waist up and they'd be like

816
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:07,120
super muscle bound

817
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,159
a man

818
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,559
with a turban on and it was a cartoon

819
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,640
that was representing what

820
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,720
gin are supposed to look like

821
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,880
and that's what this thing looked like i

822
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:18,960
didn't see a turbine on his head but it

823
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:21,279
would look like a male human

824
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,799
that was super muscle bound and large

825
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,720
but i was only seeing it psychically if

826
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,480
you were standing right next to me you

827
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,039
might not have seen what i saw so i've

828
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,279
seen it with my mind's eye so it goes

829
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,440
straight up off her body

830
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,760
and then i look at it just for

831
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,919
a second or less and then it moves at me

832
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:41,760
really quick

833
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,960
and i stop i move backwards

834
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,519
instinctively and i almost fall down

835
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,519
after taking a step because it you know

836
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,679
scares me after i move backwards that's

837
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:53,360
the only attaching spirit i've ever seen

838
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,480
in my life

839
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,200
now in that same corridor

840
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,120
or one of the other corridors in that

841
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,279
same apartment complex

842
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,519
there was this little girl who was

843
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,880
probably

844
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,480
i'd say she was like

845
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:07,760
somewhere between

846
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:09,039
four

847
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,720
and six

848
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,960
she's probably four or five years old

849
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:15,120
and

850
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:18,320
she had she was holding the leash of a

851
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,590
it was a bull that was a bulldog puppy

852
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:28,399
and the puppy was like

853
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:29,919
angry it was like

854
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:32,720
uh barking at me and wanting to

855
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:35,679
to bite me or something and she's like

856
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:37,840
having a hard time holding on to it

857
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,320
because she's such a little girl and

858
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:43,120
luckily it was just a baby the dog was a

859
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,159
puppy

860
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,840
so but she was still having a hard time

861
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,919
holding it because she was just a little

862
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,039
girl right

863
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,360
and when i looked at her

864
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:54,000
her eyes were moving around really fast

865
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:55,279
in her head

866
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,039
and i knew

867
00:33:02,630 --> 00:32:59,760
um somehow that that wasn't her physical

868
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:02,640
eyes it was i was seeing like her astral

869
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:05,279
body or causal body or mental body or

870
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,320
some other

871
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:08,000
part of her that wasn't her physical

872
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:09,039
body

873
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,559
and uh but i also knew

874
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,000
from seeing her eyes moving around

875
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,840
really fast in her head that

876
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,120
that

877
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,399
what

878
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,559
that uh her eyes moving around really

879
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,399
fast that's what that meant

880
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:26,720
that she had an attaching spirit

881
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,029
around that same time frame

882
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:35,120
i was being psychically attacked in my

883
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:36,320
apartment

884
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:37,360
and

885
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,159
but

886
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,399
um

887
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,320
one one day i was

888
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,919
uh

889
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,760
walking down the street

890
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:49,279
and

891
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:52,240
this was like the day before or the day

892
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,200
of

893
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,279
when i did my wife's

894
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,200
i call it my wife's exorcism but it

895
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,360
wasn't really an exorcism it was just i

896
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:01,760
just confined her to a space because

897
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:04,720
she was totally being controlled by

898
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:08,000
some one or more spirits and she wasn't

899
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:09,599
in control of her body

900
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:12,800
and but that day or the day before

901
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,000
i was walking on the street because

902
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:18,800
i just was uh

903
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,440
the the spirit attack

904
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,440
the attacks of

905
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:26,000
my person by spirits in that apartment

906
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,879
were

907
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,720
just driving me to leave

908
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,800
the apartment so i just put a bunch of

909
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,159
stuff in my pocket and i was going to

910
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,280
leave permanently and so i just walked

911
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:37,440
like an hour and a half

912
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,639
away from the apartment or or more and

913
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,399
just kept walking and i finally sat down

914
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:44,639
and turned her and sat there for an hour

915
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:45,679
and then

916
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:47,119
turned around and went back to the

917
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:48,639
apartment but i was gone for like six

918
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,679
hours

919
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,879
and

920
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:52,159
but when i was coming back to the

921
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:53,440
apartment

922
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:55,359
i was looking around at all the people

923
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:56,800
on the street

924
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,359
and everybody's eyes

925
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:01,040
were jumping around

926
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,480
in their heads just like the little

927
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,839
girls

928
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,520
every person on the street everybody in

929
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,119
the car everybody walking down the

930
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:10,240
street everybody was like that

931
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,920
and then another

932
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:13,520
time

933
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,599
because of some

934
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:21,839
issues with my wife and i

935
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,630
had to go see a judge

936
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,720
and

937
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,040
i was sitting in this courthouse

938
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,960
uh corridor

939
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:34,800
outside the courtroom

940
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,079
on a wooden bench that lined these two

941
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:40,160
this really long hallway on both sides

942
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,440
of the hallway

943
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:43,680
and people were sitting

944
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:44,400
the

945
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,920
doors were shut he was doing his

946
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:50,079
preliminary stuff

947
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,880
and

948
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:53,040
that the things he does before he sees

949
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:54,320
anybody

950
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,119
and

951
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,040
everybody in the hallway is waiting on

952
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,760
him the door to the to the

953
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:01,359
courtroom to open up

954
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,440
so there's a whole boatload of people

955
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,839
sitting on these wooden benches lining

956
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,760
this really long hallway

957
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:09,119
on both sides of the hallway and i

958
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:10,560
looked at everybody

959
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,680
and about one in three or four people

960
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,040
had their eyes

961
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,440
jumping around and their heads and the

962
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,440
rest of people were just normal

963
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:22,079
and i knew intuitively that all the

964
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:25,359
people who had their eyes jumping around

965
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,560
they had

966
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,400
attaching spirits and they were also the

967
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:30,240
ones

968
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:31,440
that were

969
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,430
who had committed a crime or were

970
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,119
accused of committing a crime like

971
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:41,520
myself and the rest of the people were

972
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,880
their friends or relatives or lawyers

973
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,800
uh there to assist them

974
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:49,040
and they didn't have the

975
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:50,240
people they were accused had the

976
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,960
touching spirits and the people who were

977
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:55,440
not accused did not have attaching

978
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,480
spirits

979
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,000
so

980
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,400
let's see what else i've already talked

981
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:02,000
about my wife

982
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:04,110
and me in portland and

983
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:05,680
[Music]

984
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:08,240
uh oh so the one that sits on my head it

985
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,440
sits

986
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:14,790
the cowlick part of your head

987
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,839
is

988
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,359
where it sits

989
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:19,599
and it can be spread out across the top

990
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,680
of my head but it generally sits

991
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:23,119
i can feel it

992
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,040
uh almost always

993
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,280
at the

994
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,359
back of the top of my head where the

995
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,280
back of my head meets the top of my head

996
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,680
it's called the cowlick and it's just

997
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,079
above your what's called your default

998
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:38,560
motor network part of your brain

999
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,920
and

1000
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:42,000
so it's always there in that one spot

1001
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:43,599
but the one on my back

1002
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:46,320
moves around all over the place and it

1003
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,440
i don't

1004
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:49,040
feel it very often with the one on my

1005
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:55,109
um

1006
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,560
if you have

1007
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,640
a sharp back pain

1008
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:03,990
and it stays in one spot and it never

1009
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,160
moves around you like have a slipped

1010
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,800
disc a compressed spine

1011
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,119
a broken something

1012
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,920
uh torn something

1013
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:16,160
it's all physical that's all physical

1014
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,280
and it stays in one spot it never moves

1015
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,040
that's having to do with your spine or

1016
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:23,680
something in a particular spot of your

1017
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:27,119
back that's a normal back pain however

1018
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:29,839
if you have a sharp back pain and it

1019
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,400
moves around on your back

1020
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,560
and doesn't stay in one spot

1021
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,640
that's an attaching spirit

1022
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:37,920
similarly

1023
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,119
with a head a head

1024
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:43,040
pain like a headache

1025
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:44,480
if you have

1026
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,599
a headache that's more localized it's

1027
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,440
not spread out very far

1028
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,520
and you stick your hand

1029
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:54,000
on that spot on your head

1030
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:55,440
and

1031
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,680
uh the pain your headache goes away

1032
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,520
while your hand is sitting there take

1033
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:03,920
your hand off it comes back you put your

1034
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:07,520
hand on there on that spot it goes away

1035
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:10,400
you take your hand off it comes back

1036
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:13,599
and let's say you put your hand on again

1037
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,400
and

1038
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:16,880
it go your pain goes away but you can

1039
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,119
feel the energy

1040
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,520
on the outside of your hand maybe on the

1041
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:23,280
side of your hand or on the top of your

1042
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:24,079
hand

1043
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,839
that's an attaching spirit

1044
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,440
so um

1045
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:31,520
i'm just trying to let people know

1046
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,920
how they can tell the difference between

1047
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:35,440
a normal

1048
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:38,240
uh headache or normal back pain

1049
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:40,839
and an attaching spirit

1050
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:45,589
so

1051
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,680
be used to see

1052
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:51,119
um

1053
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,119
ghosts like

1054
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:55,599
have you ever been to a ghost hunt

1055
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:57,520
yes several times

1056
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,400
okay

1057
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:59,839
are you aware that

1058
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:02,240
the xerolux cameras can see ghosts in

1059
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,839
real time

1060
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:05,599
no i don't know any of the technical

1061
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,079
aspects i just know the

1062
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,280
the tours and some actual um

1063
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,280
uh ghost suns that were done by people

1064
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,359
that that that's pretty much their

1065
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:16,960
living um

1066
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:19,280
i've only partaken in that way but not

1067
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,800
necessarily playing with any of the

1068
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:23,040
technology that they use

1069
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:26,480
well i was up i went on a ghost hunt up

1070
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:27,599
in

1071
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,200
map

1072
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:33,839
you'll find a city called snohomish

1073
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:35,200
washington

1074
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,640
and most maps don't have sky komish

1075
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:40,560
washington they only have snohomish

1076
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:43,280
washington but sky comish washington is

1077
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:46,480
very close to snohomish washington

1078
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:49,920
okay sky combust washington is is a gu

1079
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,280
is literally a ghost town the they have

1080
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:56,160
no power in the town except there's one

1081
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:57,200
hotel

1082
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,560
that has

1083
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,720
uh power i don't know how it gets power

1084
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:02,720
because the municipality

1085
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:06,079
has no power so they must have i don't

1086
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:07,359
know if they have generators or not

1087
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:08,560
because you can't hear the generators

1088
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:09,920
running so i don't know how that

1089
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,400
building gets power but this building

1090
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,200
this one hotel has power and so people

1091
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,359
go to the hotel to have a ghost

1092
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,920
experience to have to see to do ghost

1093
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,119
tents

1094
00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:23,520
so when we went there

1095
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,760
uh there's a um

1096
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,160
[Music]

1097
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,400
there's a

1098
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,960
mountain next to that

1099
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:32,560
next to that city

1100
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,440
and

1101
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,119
back in

1102
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,359
uh i don't know if it's the late 1800s

1103
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:39,200
or early 1900s

1104
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,400
there was a

1105
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,640
um

1106
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,560
a train that went through this train

1107
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,280
tunnel that goes through this mountain

1108
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,280
it's like a half a mile

1109
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,119
it's either somewhere between a quarter

1110
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,960
and a half mile long

1111
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:55,040
tunnel through the through this mountain

1112
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,960
and the train goes through it

1113
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,079
and

1114
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,160
um

1115
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,400
and so the train was in there

1116
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:03,839
one year

1117
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:06,800
and it was snowing heavily

1118
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:07,520
and

1119
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:13,440
uh to get away from the snow

1120
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,720
and

1121
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:17,119
uh when they tried to get out of the

1122
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:19,040
tunnel with the train

1123
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,240
it got part of the way out and got stuck

1124
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,240
and it's sitting there chugging

1125
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,119
uh making its noise and and vibration

1126
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:29,520
and stuff and it caused an avalanche and

1127
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,119
that avalanche

1128
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,800
killed like

1129
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,240
maybe

1130
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,200
a third to half the people on the train

1131
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:39,119
and most of the people or half the

1132
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,079
people in the city wiped out the town

1133
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,480
and it wiped out the train

1134
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:46,000
and it didn't kill everybody but it

1135
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:47,680
killed a lot of people

1136
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,640
and

1137
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,319
you know when you talk about that people

1138
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,760
hear the story and they're like no

1139
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,839
that's just a that's just a story that

1140
00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:55,599
didn't didn't really happen

1141
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,920
but i have photos on my website

1142
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,720
profoundstates.com

1143
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,440
that beg to differ because there's still

1144
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:05,920
huge chunks of rebar hanging from one

1145
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:09,829
this

1146
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:10,839
train

1147
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:14,079
tunnel uh where it's evidence that yes

1148
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,520
there was a

1149
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:17,520
um

1150
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:19,680
there was a

1151
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:22,319
avalanche that that uh

1152
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,119
that

1153
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,079
killed a lot of people and knocked out

1154
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:27,599
the end of that tunnel

1155
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:28,880
and so

1156
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:31,680
um it

1157
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,130
um

1158
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,920
[Music]

1159
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,839
so i was able to photograph a lot of

1160
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,319
orbs and stuff there and oh anyway i

1161
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,960
remember now why i brought it up so

1162
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,880
i there was one point where i was

1163
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,880
standing behind this one

1164
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,280
uh ufologist who's also a paranormal

1165
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,440
researcher she's got a

1166
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,920
a sony zero lux camera they just come

1167
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:52,880
out

1168
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,680
the uh the week before

1169
00:43:57,590 --> 00:43:57,280
and so

1170
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:57,600
um

1171
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:59,599
[Music]

1172
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,000
this ghost this orb

1173
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,640
uh by the way if you're if you're a

1174
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,400
ghost you're either

1175
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:09,119
seen as an ectoplasm or an orb

1176
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:10,319
and so

1177
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:13,680
this orb or slash ghost came flying over

1178
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,800
us

1179
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:16,800
and i i'm not a psych all these ladies i

1180
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,440
was with are all psychic and so they

1181
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,440
were seeing the ghost left and right

1182
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:23,040
even when it was pitch dark they could

1183
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,079
see it

1184
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,480
and um

1185
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,000
i couldn't see them

1186
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,920
because i'm not that psychic i am

1187
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,760
psychic but not that psych

1188
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,520
and so i'm standing behind this lady

1189
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,319
with this zero like sony xerox camera

1190
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,280
and the sword comes flying over us

1191
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,599
and comes down in front of us

1192
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,440
in front of her camera

1193
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:45,440
and she picks it up

1194
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:48,240
and uh or the camera picks it up

1195
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:53,599
and it starts flying in an orb in a uh

1196
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,800
in the shape of a infinity sign

1197
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,119
in front of the camera excuse me uh just

1198
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,599
one quick second i'm sorry mike um

1199
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:03,599
uh is there any way that maybe the music

1200
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,880
you're playing in the background because

1201
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:06,720
i might get a strike because it's coming

1202
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:09,280
through youtube

1203
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,400
okay

1204
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:12,560
that's all right

1205
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,720
so um i guess well while um uh mike does

1206
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,119
this also uh hopefully make this

1207
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,040
adjustment because usually youtube

1208
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,119
thinks that i'm then playing some

1209
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,359
copyright music and then i don't i'd

1210
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:27,119
hate to get a strike for no reason

1211
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,400
anyway um

1212
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,560
also just real quick um if i haven't

1213
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,800
said this already in the description

1214
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,640
i have all the links that mike has

1215
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,359
provided for me so um i certainly hope

1216
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,599
that uh either throughout the interview

1217
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,520
or after the interview you go and check

1218
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,680
those out uh basically give me the link

1219
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,520
to this website

1220
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:46,400
link

1221
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:49,440
to the unpublished well not the entire

1222
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,400
book but just a a section of it um link

1223
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,640
to his youtube channel and i always

1224
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,319
encourage everyone else watching to

1225
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:58,079
certainly check it out

1226
00:46:02,069 --> 00:45:59,839
all right mike looks like you're you're

1227
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,079
back let me unmute you again ah thanks

1228
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,319
for that i appreciate it

1229
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:07,040
my dog was scratching at the door and my

1230
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,240
wife

1231
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,079
uh opened the door so the dog could come

1232
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:12,319
in and then she comes in and then

1233
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:15,760
of course her music from the tv and the

1234
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:18,480
living room comes through the door

1235
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,480
so anyway all right well thanks for that

1236
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:22,079
i'm sorry so please continue if you

1237
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,760
remember where you left off

1238
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:25,920
i do uh so i'm standing behind this lady

1239
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,480
with a sony zero lux camera and the orb

1240
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:30,720
flies in front of it and it does starts

1241
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,119
flying in his a figure eight

1242
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,480
uh formation and so i knew that bugs

1243
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,400
don't fly and figure

1244
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:40,800
infinity sign formation

1245
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:43,440
so i knew that was not a bug plus you

1246
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:44,960
wouldn't see a bug in the dark like that

1247
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:47,359
anyway you would it would just be

1248
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,000
you wouldn't be able to see it and so

1249
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,319
anyway that's uh

1250
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,920
a ghost

1251
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,240
so i i don't even know why i brought

1252
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,400
that up other than you

1253
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,560
we were something about the camera uh

1254
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,880
that you were you were asking me

1255
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,640
about the camera and it picks up

1256
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,319
something i'm sorry i can't recall what

1257
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:08,319
what you want i asked you if you were

1258
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:11,839
aware that that cameras could see ghosts

1259
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,800
live

1260
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,880
okay and the reason why i brought that

1261
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,079
up

1262
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:18,960
one of the reasons was because

1263
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:21,680
there is a book written by

1264
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:29,670
a camera that's supposedly developed by

1265
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,559
nasa somebody working for nasa

1266
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:33,680
and

1267
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:36,410
i

1268
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,720
and

1269
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,200
or at least the website

1270
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:52,160
that uh talks about it it's named that

1271
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:53,280
anyway

1272
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,319
i

1273
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:56,640
have a dream about the future and my

1274
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,359
dream is regarding attaching spirits

1275
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,520
that at some point

1276
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:06,390
i will be in a

1277
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:07,200
uh

1278
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:08,319
meeting

1279
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,480
and i'll be sitting in a chair

1280
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,800
on stage or not on stage in front of a

1281
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:19,040
group of people and they'll be sitting

1282
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,359
in the crowd and

1283
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,520
i will invite the i'll tell them all

1284
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,359
these things that i'm telling you and

1285
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:27,200
then uh and then i'll invite them to

1286
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,160
come up

1287
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,839
and put their hand

1288
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:31,119
on my head

1289
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:34,640
see my wife a long time ago i invited

1290
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,079
her to put her hand on the top of my

1291
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,000
head so she could feel the energy of my

1292
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,240
attaching spirit and she did that she

1293
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,160
put her hand on the top of my head and

1294
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,760
she could feel the energy of my

1295
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,760
attaching spirit that sits there she

1296
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,520
could feel its tingling

1297
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:49,119
under her hand

1298
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,640
and she said it was the strangest thing

1299
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,000
she'd ever felt

1300
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,160
and so i figured in the future

1301
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,319
if i can get enough people together

1302
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:58,559
who want to

1303
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,760
prove

1304
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:01,920
to the world that attaching spirits are

1305
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:03,200
real

1306
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,760
then we could videotape that video

1307
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,119
record that

1308
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,480
and stream it to youtube or whatever and

1309
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,640
people would come up and stand behind me

1310
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,800
and stick their head out their hand out

1311
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,839
arm out

1312
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:24,319
to the left side of my head i would grab

1313
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:25,599
their hand

1314
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:28,240
and then stick it on the top of my head

1315
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:29,680
and they would close their eyes and they

1316
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:32,720
would have like 30 seconds or maybe a

1317
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:33,920
whole minute

1318
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:34,880
to

1319
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,800
close their eyes and focus and see if

1320
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,079
they can

1321
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,880
uh feel anything from the bottom side of

1322
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,440
their hand to see if they can feel the

1323
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,680
energy from the attaching spirit and it

1324
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:47,760
would all be recorded and if they had

1325
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:51,200
any special reaction facial reaction

1326
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,079
that

1327
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,400
you know this would be some

1328
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:57,040
level of proof to people that attaching

1329
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,400
spirits are real

1330
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,400
and then from there

1331
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,040
going forward we would have

1332
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:05,599
a couple contests to see

1333
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:08,559
if anybody you know we would crowdfund

1334
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,640
um the development of a

1335
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,800
a camera that could see

1336
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,640
attack not just ghosts like the one i

1337
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:18,400
mentioned before but actual attaching

1338
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:19,440
spirits

1339
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,160
now if nasa did create

1340
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,480
or somebody working for nasa did invent

1341
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,480
a camera that already exists

1342
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,319
that can see attaching spirits which

1343
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:30,640
this book claims

1344
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:33,839
uh is is

1345
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,800
already exists i've researched it i've

1346
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:38,640
not found any reference

1347
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,599
from nasa or anywhere else

1348
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,599
aside from this book

1349
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,839
that this is true

1350
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:47,440
but if it is true

1351
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,839
then one of the things i was hoping to

1352
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,920
happen in the future the creation of

1353
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,920
technology that can actually see

1354
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,240
attaching spirits

1355
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,319
that may already exist

1356
00:51:01,109 --> 00:51:00,400
if it doesn't then we need to crowdfund

1357
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,119
the

1358
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,280
invention of it okay

1359
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:06,160
and another thing we need to crowdfund

1360
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:06,880
is

1361
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:09,920
a contest to see who has the best

1362
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,640
exorcism technique that can be taught to

1363
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,920
the masses

1364
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,040
so if

1365
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:17,040
we can come up with a

1366
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:18,559
technology that can see attaching

1367
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,680
spirits and we can also if if it doesn't

1368
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:22,960
already exist

1369
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:25,520
and also come up with a technique that

1370
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:27,920
anybody can learn to remove attaching

1371
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:30,319
spirits that's easy to learn and that

1372
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:31,760
works

1373
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,720
if we can come up with both of those

1374
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:37,280
and then prove that they exist

1375
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:38,960
scientifically

1376
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:43,359
and and move the needle forward to like

1377
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,800
you're you were an art bell fan right

1378
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,040
yeah i love coast to coast in general

1379
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:51,520
okay so you remember how he moved the

1380
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,359
needle forward about ufos right

1381
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,079
um please explain i'm not following

1382
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,480
well do you remember when he interviewed

1383
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,480
the there was two

1384
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,960
airline crews that saw the same ufo at

1385
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,440
the same time you remember that

1386
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,200
um i've listened to a lot i joined

1387
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:10,960
remember that particular episode okay do

1388
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,160
you remember there was a ufo that was

1389
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,240
uh chased across six different counties

1390
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,480
by six different police departments yes

1391
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,200
that i remember yeah okay so he

1392
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,599
interviewed those police

1393
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,880
so that

1394
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,800
moved the needle forward in the sense

1395
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:29,520
that he's helping to prove that

1396
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:31,280
aliens that

1397
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,240
that any craft are coming to the planet

1398
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,319
and it's not just crazy people seeing

1399
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:38,800
them he moved that needle forward

1400
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,760
okay

1401
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:41,359
and so

1402
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:43,040
uh this

1403
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:48,000
uh when cnn when uh the times report

1404
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:49,040
came out

1405
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:51,040
about the

1406
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,640
and it was it was a mistake

1407
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,040
uh i think leslie keane wrote this

1408
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,119
article for

1409
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:03,280
for the new york times talking about

1410
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,480
atip

1411
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,000
uh and their

1412
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:08,319
investigations into ufos

1413
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,319
and her then the story

1414
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,920
that she that was written in the new

1415
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:13,280
york times that broke all this

1416
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:16,400
information out to the public uh a year

1417
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,920
or two ago

1418
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,200
uh it

1419
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,680
the story was mostly correct but there

1420
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:23,520
was one mistake in there and that was it

1421
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:25,839
wasn't a tip it was asap

1422
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,000
and that had to do with the um

1423
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:33,119
with robert bigelow's skinwalker ranch

1424
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:35,440
that's now on by brandon fugel

1425
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:36,800
so

1426
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:43,190
investigated not only the ufos appearing

1427
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,440
over the skinwalker ranch but the skin

1428
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,040
walkers and all the paranormal things

1429
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,119
that happened around ufos

1430
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,520
and so the dia

1431
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:53,920
uh investigated that out of the pentagon

1432
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,240
for several years and it was paid for by

1433
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,240
the dia and

1434
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:00,480
and that leads me to

1435
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:08,829
my belief is that the skinwalkers

1436
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,960
um they're real and they

1437
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,880
um

1438
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:16,960
they're on earth and they

1439
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:19,280
are trapped between earth and the astral

1440
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:20,160
plane

1441
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,440
so when they

1442
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,520
when the own the original owner of the

1443
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:25,359
skinwalker ranch that sold it to robert

1444
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,559
bigelow

1445
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:28,559
saw the wolf

1446
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,440
and

1447
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,520
chased after it in the snow with his son

1448
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:34,319
and his rifles and stuff and shot it and

1449
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,440
everything

1450
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:37,200
and it disappeared

1451
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:38,720
into nowhere

1452
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:41,200
and just like it got like beamed up into

1453
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,119
a spacecraft kind of thing it was

1454
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:45,680
basically going from the earth to the

1455
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,200
astral plane right so astral

1456
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,960
beings

1457
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:52,799
can uh

1458
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,559
some physical beings can go to the

1459
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,400
astral plane and astral beings can come

1460
00:55:03,430 --> 00:54:59,119
to the physical plane and so

1461
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:06,950
a washington dc

1462
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:08,480
a

1463
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:27,440
pointing

1464
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:30,559
finger

1465
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:35,280
turn my left hand

1466
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:36,559
sideways

1467
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,000
like i'm going to shake somebody's hand

1468
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:42,079
i felt a pain on

1469
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,599
the top

1470
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,520
edge of that finger

1471
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:47,599
near the joint where it hooks to the

1472
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:48,640
hand

1473
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,000
and

1474
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,040
there was a sharp pain in that spot

1475
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,680
and it was very painful

1476
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:57,760
and so without thinking about it i

1477
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,000
reached over with my left hand

1478
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:03,280
and squeezed the air above

1479
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:04,880
my finger

1480
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,680
not not knowing what what happened or

1481
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,599
why i was doing it or without any i

1482
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:11,520
wasn't thinking about i just did it

1483
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:14,799
right and when i did that

1484
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,079
what happened was it it's like a blood

1485
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:20,640
squirted from that spot where i squeezed

1486
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,710
from nowhere

1487
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,559
and was there for like

1488
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,640
maybe a half half or a quarter of a

1489
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:31,040
second and then it disappeared

1490
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:32,160
and then

1491
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:33,680
and that was it it was all done the

1492
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:35,599
whole experience was finished

1493
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:37,119
and then but

1494
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,880
um after we left the park

1495
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:42,960
uh my you know my hand was in a little

1496
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:46,079
pain from from whatever this was

1497
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:47,280
and

1498
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,480
um

1499
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,559
my hands swelled up to where it was

1500
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:53,040
three times its normal size it was like

1501
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:56,960
a it was huge it was totally swollen

1502
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,000
so i went through i searched around

1503
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:02,160
on google for a

1504
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:03,119
um

1505
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:04,559
for a doctor

1506
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:05,599
in

1507
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:11,119
a doctor but for a 24-hour

1508
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,000
or a seven-day

1509
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:17,040
uh clinic that i could go to

1510
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,920
uh

1511
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:19,359
seven days a week you know they'll be

1512
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,799
open every day

1513
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,720
a medical clinic that i could just walk

1514
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,680
in and get to see a doctor and so i

1515
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,680
found one in google and it was just

1516
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,839
around it's like three blocks from me

1517
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:31,760
it was just around the corner and there

1518
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:34,240
was a an iranian fellow who was a

1519
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:36,160
general doctor general practitioner had

1520
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,200
an office open seven days a week and i

1521
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,119
walked in there and there was nobody in

1522
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:43,520
his office and i

1523
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:46,160
rang the rang the little bell that

1524
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,680
that uh

1525
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:49,520
that lets them know you're there

1526
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,799
and the lady oh his secretary opened the

1527
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:54,960
little door and said fill this out

1528
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,200
handed me the thing i filled it out and

1529
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,960
i went in and saw the doctor and he

1530
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:00,400
looked at my hand

1531
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:03,920
and i told him what happened i said

1532
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:05,839
i felt like something bit me

1533
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:08,400
like a bug like an astral bug

1534
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:09,680
you know i don't know why i called it an

1535
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,920
astral bug but that's what i called it

1536
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,240
because i figured it something

1537
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:16,079
from you know the astral plane or

1538
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,599
something bit me

1539
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,599
and i'm maybe i i don't know if i

1540
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,680
described it that way when i talked to

1541
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,280
him or maybe i just thought about it

1542
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:25,920
later anyway i told him what happened

1543
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,160
i said something bit me that i couldn't

1544
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:30,640
see that was invisible

1545
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:32,079
while i was in the park

1546
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:32,960
and

1547
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:38,240
disappearing

1548
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:39,359
and then

1549
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,270
and he looked he had these magnifying

1550
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,280
specks that were attached to his glasses

1551
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,599
and he flipped him down over his glasses

1552
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,440
and he looked at my hand and he said

1553
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,599
yeah someone did bite you i can see the

1554
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:55,920
puncture wounds on your hand

1555
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:57,040
and so

1556
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,160
that was

1557
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,400
a an astral

1558
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:02,880
being

1559
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:05,119
coming to the earth just like the

1560
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:08,160
uh skinwalker is a

1561
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:11,200
uh an astral being that can exist on the

1562
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,240
physical

1563
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:14,240
world and the astral world that goes

1564
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:15,520
back and forth

1565
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:17,599
and so

1566
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:18,640
anyway

1567
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:21,200
let me let my dog in again he just has

1568
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,559
to go in and out

1569
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,720
so i'm gonna let him in okay okay

1570
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:26,880
all right well um

1571
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,520
i figured let's take a another um a

1572
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:31,680
quick break for for another announcement

1573
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,559
so

1574
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:34,400
please keep in mind questions and

1575
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:36,559
answers will be later on when we're uh

1576
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:38,240
done with this interview

1577
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:40,640
um again you can submit your questions

1578
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:44,559
on skype or i mean not skype um

1579
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:48,480
on youtube or twitch uh in the chat or

1580
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:51,040
you can ask a question of

1581
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:52,000
um

1582
01:00:02,150 --> 00:59:58,640
if you simply join the telegr

1583
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:02,160
telegram group that's going on right now

1584
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,079
um there's uh

1585
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,559
uh the link for the telegram group is in

1586
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,119
description below and you should it

1587
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:11,200
usually doesn't take that long to

1588
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:14,480
uh install it but if you do

1589
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:16,480
would like to talk to mike directly make

1590
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,119
sure you get it installed now so you can

1591
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:21,599
do that later on at the end of the show

1592
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:24,240
all right um looks like we got uh

1593
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:26,559
mike back

1594
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,839
okay so um

1595
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,200
i guess that's pretty much everything i

1596
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:33,520
wanted to say about attaching spirits

1597
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,960
other than

1598
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,559
uh

1599
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:38,559
you know i could get into

1600
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:40,640
uh proving about

1601
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,160
you know how they cause war and

1602
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,839
terrorism and crime and all these

1603
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:46,240
different things yeah we can go in into

1604
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:48,559
that or we can i can switch over to

1605
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:50,799
aliens and move on to another topic

1606
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:53,040
whichever which is your preference

1607
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:54,799
well i mean um

1608
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:57,440
let's uh figure let's cover aliens and

1609
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:00,319
there's always time later too for um for

1610
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,240
the other things you mentioned so let's

1611
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:04,240
let's do aliens just so that some of

1612
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:07,119
those out there who who were hoping to

1613
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:08,240
to hear

1614
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:10,319
your aspects on that they'll be that'd

1615
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:13,359
be good if you can go into that okay so

1616
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:16,400
on october 3rd 1980 i had my first close

1617
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,520
encounter

1618
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:19,680
i um

1619
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:22,960
had come home from a party and i was

1620
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:25,599
um

1621
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:26,640
i

1622
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:38,960
the northwest corner

1623
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:40,960
of the city of houston texas

1624
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:41,839
and

1625
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:46,079
my windows rolled down i'm sitting there

1626
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,000
and

1627
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:50,480
uh in the top in the middle of my head i

1628
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:53,200
saw a circle of lights

1629
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:54,400
spinning

1630
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:56,559
for maybe a quarter of a second

1631
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,829
the light the ring of lights

1632
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:05,510
came on in the middle of my head it was

1633
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:07,599
an actual visual image

1634
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:08,799
and it

1635
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:11,359
came on and moved slightly

1636
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:13,119
and then disappeared it was only on for

1637
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:14,799
about a quarter of a second

1638
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:16,079
and then it

1639
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:18,799
it did that like three or four times

1640
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:22,160
and it would come on and it would spin

1641
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:23,599
move just for

1642
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:24,880
the tiniest amount and it would

1643
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,000
disappear

1644
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,079
and like i said i did that for three or

1645
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:30,000
maybe four times

1646
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,880
and

1647
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:32,720
i had never seen anything in the move in

1648
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:34,880
my head no i've never seen it never seen

1649
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,039
a visual image in the middle of my head

1650
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,680
neither before that moment nor after

1651
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:41,280
and so

1652
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:43,520
um one time i was able to visualize

1653
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,760
colors one time in my whole life other

1654
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:47,280
than that i've never seen anything

1655
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:49,359
inside my head ever

1656
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:52,720
except well those once when i

1657
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,960
was seeing with my third eye that i saw

1658
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:56,640
something in my head but short of that

1659
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:57,760
you know i've never been able to

1660
01:03:01,589 --> 01:03:00,319
visualize inside my head so me seeing

1661
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:01,599
something like that in the middle of my

1662
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:02,400
head

1663
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:04,240
was something kind of unusual for me so

1664
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:06,079
i was like what was that

1665
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:09,039
and i thought about it for a few seconds

1666
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:11,200
and then i just like kind of blew it off

1667
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:12,480
and

1668
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:13,839
continued thinking about committing

1669
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:14,960
suicide because that's what i was

1670
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:16,799
thinking about the time

1671
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,240
and

1672
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:20,640
i was kind of paralyzed because i didn't

1673
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,480
really have the energy to move

1674
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:23,760
and so

1675
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:25,599
um

1676
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,390
eventually

1677
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:31,920
after a very long

1678
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:33,200
period of time

1679
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:36,079
i opened the door my left door the

1680
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,599
driver's side door

1681
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:39,359
and

1682
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:41,119
it took me quite a while to even get out

1683
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:43,119
of the car but eventually i got out of

1684
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:46,559
the car my windows were rolled down

1685
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:49,520
and my doors open i'm standing on the

1686
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:52,480
concrete driveway between the car and

1687
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:55,119
the door and i turn around and look up

1688
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:56,640
in the sky

1689
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,440
and

1690
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:59,520
uh what i saw in my head was sitting in

1691
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,880
the sky

1692
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:02,880
it was a

1693
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,880
circle of it was just basically it was

1694
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:06,720
just a black hole with eight equidistant

1695
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:08,559
lights on its edge

1696
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:10,079
and there was no reason for the lights

1697
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:13,359
to even exist and

1698
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:16,710
there was

1699
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:18,880
i was seeing the

1700
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,480
craft

1701
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:22,400
from the side

1702
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:24,640
not from the underneath

1703
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:28,880
it was about if i stuck my thumb out

1704
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,280
in front of me at arm's length

1705
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:33,680
it was about the width of my thumb at

1706
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:34,960
arm's length

1707
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:36,000
and

1708
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:44,400
four lights

1709
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,599
and

1710
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:47,760
uh depending on the position the craft

1711
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:49,039
was in

1712
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:52,470
i

1713
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:56,000
was

1714
01:05:03,109 --> 01:04:59,920
and so

1715
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:03,119
i was thinking well this is i'm just

1716
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:04,960
seeing my mind is just making this up

1717
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:05,839
right

1718
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:08,000
it's not real i'm just hallucinating

1719
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,319
right so i figured well if i

1720
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:12,480
i did other things

1721
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:14,720
and then came back it'd be gone because

1722
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:16,720
it's just hallucination right

1723
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,720
so i turn around

1724
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:20,240
i

1725
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,880
look over at the

1726
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,319
the uh

1727
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:42,640
the digital readout on the clock in the

1728
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:43,599
car

1729
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:44,799
and

1730
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:47,520
it's set it's exactly eleven

1731
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:51,119
o'clock this is on october 3rd 1980

1732
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:54,160
at exactly 11 and so i inch all the way

1733
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:57,520
out and stand up and back up enough to

1734
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,599
shut the door i shut the door

1735
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:01,280
and turn around and look up and the

1736
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:03,520
craft is still sitting there i'm like

1737
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:04,799
okay

1738
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:07,119
i guess you're not a hallucination

1739
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,920
you must be real is what i'm thinking

1740
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:11,760
so

1741
01:06:16,829 --> 01:06:13,280
um

1742
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:18,390
uh

1743
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:20,880
i always get mixed up whether it goes up

1744
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:22,720
or down first but i'll just tell it one

1745
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,920
way and if i

1746
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:25,440
told her a different way later on

1747
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:28,400
somebody didn't correct me but i think

1748
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:30,880
what happened was

1749
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:33,359
um

1750
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:37,359
it wrote it rose

1751
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:40,319
like two degrees

1752
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:41,839
and

1753
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:43,200
very slowly

1754
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:43,920
it's

1755
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:47,839
vibrating like a piece on a lathe that's

1756
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:50,640
off-center and it rises like

1757
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,599
um

1758
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:53,280
two degrees

1759
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:55,280
and stops

1760
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:57,920
and then hovers there and then it

1761
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:01,440
it descends twice as far as it

1762
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,720
rose

1763
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:04,240
and stops

1764
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:06,079
and pauses there

1765
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:07,680
and then it

1766
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:10,720
rises back up to where it originally was

1767
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,319
now that could be the opposite way it

1768
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,400
could have lowered first and went up

1769
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,880
twice as far and came back to the center

1770
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:18,720
it did one way or the other i can never

1771
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:21,119
which is which but anyway

1772
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:23,039
it's been too long

1773
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:24,240
so

1774
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:27,200
i got the impression from it rising and

1775
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:28,400
falling

1776
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:29,680
that it was

1777
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:31,680
gonna wanted to land

1778
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:33,280
they wanted to leave but it wanted to

1779
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:36,400
land first and then leave and then

1780
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:38,640
thinking about that i'm like oh

1781
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:40,720
you want to take me with you

1782
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:44,480
that's the based on its movements i came

1783
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,839
to the conclusion

1784
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:47,039
that

1785
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:48,400
it was

1786
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:51,200
uh wanted to take me with it to leave

1787
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:53,359
the planet for for good

1788
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:56,160
and since i was

1789
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,319
i was thinking about committing suicide

1790
01:08:02,069 --> 01:08:00,319
i figured you know looking back

1791
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,079
i think i was thinking that that's the

1792
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:04,079
reason why they came in the first place

1793
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:05,680
because i was ready to commit because i

1794
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:07,280
was thinking about committing suicides

1795
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:10,000
ready to leave the planet that's what

1796
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:11,839
drew them to me

1797
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:14,240
and um because they knew i was ready to

1798
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:15,280
go

1799
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:16,719
and just but i wasn't thinking about

1800
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:17,759
aliens

1801
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:20,319
so anyway

1802
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:21,520
i figured

1803
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,359
based on their movements

1804
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:24,799
they wanted to take me with them and

1805
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:26,719
since i was ready to go i said okay so

1806
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:28,080
you want to

1807
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:31,839
land and take me with you and go and i

1808
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:34,400
said i'm ready to go let's do it

1809
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,799
how do we do this that's what i'm saying

1810
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:38,880
to it in my head

1811
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,759
based on my conclusions that are derived

1812
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,440
from its movement

1813
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,600
so movements

1814
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:47,279
so

1815
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:50,000
after i say to it mentally

1816
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:51,440
how do we do this

1817
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:54,239
what it does is it moves to the right

1818
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:56,799
it stays

1819
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,400
horizontal

1820
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,480
it's still spinning

1821
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:02,799
it's still vibrating

1822
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,000
and it's moving at a

1823
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:08,799
an angle vertical angle angle of about a

1824
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:10,719
45 degree angle

1825
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:13,120
up in the sky but it's it's staying the

1826
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:15,520
craft is staying level while it's doing

1827
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:17,679
this it's still spinning still vibrating

1828
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:20,799
and staying level but the angle of

1829
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:23,920
movement is at a 45 degree angle up

1830
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:25,759
and it moves up

1831
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:28,400
two or three degrees in the sky

1832
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,799
and it's like it hits a point

1833
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:32,480
and then it moves

1834
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:36,400
down at a 45 degree angle

1835
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,279
and then it gets down to a point and

1836
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:41,759
then it moves up at another 45 degree

1837
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,319
angle and it does this all the way

1838
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:46,080
across the sky from where it was

1839
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:48,239
originally sitting until it's over in

1840
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:50,640
this field which is west

1841
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:51,440
of

1842
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:52,960
uh

1843
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:54,960
west of where i'm standing

1844
01:10:01,430 --> 01:10:00,310
so it does this all the way out into

1845
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:01,440
this field

1846
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:03,040
very slowly

1847
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:10,550
a ruler and drawn a line

1848
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:13,520
across the edge of the top edge and the

1849
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:14,960
bottom edge

1850
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:16,880
of the where it went down to where it

1851
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:18,560
went up to

1852
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:21,440
because the points where it stopped

1853
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,719
up up and down were exactly the same all

1854
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:26,800
the way across the sky it was perfect

1855
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:28,159
control

1856
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:29,280
and

1857
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:32,159
depth

1858
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:34,960
each and every time in a very very slow

1859
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:36,719
sawtooth

1860
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:37,679
pattern

1861
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:40,320
until it's over in this field stops and

1862
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:42,840
then does the same thing coming back to

1863
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:45,440
me until it's back in its original

1864
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:46,560
position

1865
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:48,159
and it when it gets back in front of me

1866
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:50,239
i realize oh

1867
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:52,400
you want to go you want to go in the

1868
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:53,520
field

1869
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:57,280
and land out there and then we can go

1870
01:11:02,550 --> 01:10:59,600
and i i pick up i realize what it wants

1871
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:02,560
at that point because of its movements

1872
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,880
uh logically you know making a logical

1873
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:06,640
conclusion from the movements

1874
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:08,239
so

1875
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:09,520
um

1876
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:12,480
so i said okay let's do it so i walk

1877
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:15,199
down my mother's driveway

1878
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:17,920
out to the center of the road where

1879
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:20,000
each side of the road is like

1880
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:22,159
not per there are two different plates

1881
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:24,159
of concrete and they're not perfectly

1882
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:26,159
aligned in the center so there's a

1883
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:28,080
you can you can notice exactly where the

1884
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:29,840
center of the road is

1885
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:32,400
and uh so i i walk

1886
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:33,760
all the way to the center of the road

1887
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:36,880
and i turn to the right and i walk

1888
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:39,679
um down the center of the of its colony

1889
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:41,920
court was the name of the road still is

1890
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:43,760
if if they haven't changed it

1891
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:46,239
and i walk down colony court

1892
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:47,199
um

1893
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,280
down the center of the road i look over

1894
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:51,280
at this thing and it's pat it's fine

1895
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:52,159
it's

1896
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:57,440
even with me as i walk down the middle

1897
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:59,199
of colleen court road

1898
01:12:01,830 --> 01:12:00,239
and so

1899
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:01,840
i don't want this thing to

1900
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:04,480
to gain any power over me or anything so

1901
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:06,719
i don't focus on it while i'm walking i

1902
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:08,880
look over at it and then i look around

1903
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,640
at the sky and look around at other

1904
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:12,080
things you know

1905
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,840
and i don't keep my attention on it

1906
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:15,280
while i'm walking

1907
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:17,840
and i as i'm walking i'll look back over

1908
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:19,280
it occasionally

1909
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:20,640
and but i'm not really paying much

1910
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:23,760
attention to it but it's paralleling my

1911
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:24,640
walk

1912
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:27,199
exact staying exactly parallel with me

1913
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:29,440
the whole time

1914
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:30,719
and so

1915
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:33,920
uh when i get to the

1916
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:37,520
part where colony court dead ends on to

1917
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,760
the street that allows you to get into

1918
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:41,520
that neighborhood the entrance into the

1919
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:43,440
neighborhood the street that allows you

1920
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:45,600
to get into that neighborhood that that

1921
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:46,480
that

1922
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:51,840
i stop

1923
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:54,719
at that juncture of the road i look back

1924
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:55,840
up at the

1925
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:56,960
craft

1926
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,159
and

1927
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:00,480
it's

1928
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:05,669
i'm not i'm not at this point looking at

1929
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:07,760
the craft from the side i'm looking at

1930
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:09,040
it from

1931
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:10,320
underneath

1932
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:11,600
slightly

1933
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:12,480
and

1934
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,600
i can see the whole circle at this point

1935
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:16,960
and

1936
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:19,679
it's stopped in front of me it's still

1937
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,840
spinning still vibrating

1938
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:23,760
and but it's um

1939
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,440
it's not moving

1940
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,600
towards the field that i'm moving

1941
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,760
towards any longer it's stopped right in

1942
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:30,960
front of me

1943
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:33,040
and what it does is it

1944
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:35,840
it dips the front end of the craft

1945
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:37,120
down

1946
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:39,280
and it lifts the back of the front of

1947
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:41,280
the craft up

1948
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,800
at the same time

1949
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:44,400
so it's like basically it's like

1950
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:47,040
somebody drew a line a horizontal line

1951
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,199
through the middle of the craft and it's

1952
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:51,600
dipping the front and lifting the back

1953
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:53,040
and then it goes in the other direction

1954
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:55,920
it drops the back and lifts the front

1955
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:58,159
until the back is

1956
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:00,800
down and the front is up and it's still

1957
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:04,640
spinning in a circle so as it's spinning

1958
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:07,120
and dipping it looks like an infinity

1959
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:08,080
sign

1960
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:11,120
just like with the um

1961
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:13,600
with the ghost that i mentioned earlier

1962
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:14,800
and so

1963
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:16,480
you know when i see this infinite this

1964
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:19,360
moving infinity sign i think i'm like

1965
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,880
maybe that's where the

1966
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,239
i think in my head maybe that's where

1967
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:24,080
the egyptians got their infinity sign

1968
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:26,159
from maybe they encountered a craft like

1969
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:27,520
this one

1970
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:30,640
that uh does the same thing

1971
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:31,760
so

1972
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:34,320
i have this thought and uh

1973
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:36,800
and it does this dip this

1974
01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:38,000
dipping

1975
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:39,040
you know

1976
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:40,560
front and back

1977
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:42,560
uh you know dropping the front lifting

1978
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:44,880
the back lift dropping the back lifting

1979
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:46,320
the front

1980
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:48,159
motion over and over

1981
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:51,679
three or four times and then slowly

1982
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:53,760
starts going back towards

1983
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:55,040
level

1984
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:57,520
and does it pass

1985
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:59,520
center a couple times and then finally

1986
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:00,719
levels off

1987
01:15:04,149 --> 01:15:02,560
and stops doing it

1988
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:04,159
and

1989
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:08,470
so at that point

1990
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,600
i decide to keep moving and i walk

1991
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:13,440
continue my walk

1992
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,000
towards this field i walk across the

1993
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:18,480
street that colony court

1994
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:20,159
butts up against that allows you to get

1995
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:21,199
into the

1996
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:23,360
end of the neighborhood

1997
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:25,280
and the housing complex

1998
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:27,199
i walk across that street

1999
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:30,000
over the curb into the field

2000
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:33,840
and it's still paralleling me to my

2001
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:36,640
to my left as i walk

2002
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,520
and uh

2003
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:41,760
and i get out into this field

2004
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:43,120
and

2005
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:46,480
i get maybe 20 30 foot out in this field

2006
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:47,760
and

2007
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:49,440
um

2008
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:52,560
and i look back over at the craft and

2009
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:54,880
it's now

2010
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:55,450
um

2011
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:57,600
[Music]

2012
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:01,360
back to my to my side more than above me

2013
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,520
and kind of basically the same position

2014
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:05,280
it originally was

2015
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:07,520
and

2016
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,000
maybe 20 or 30 foot into the field

2017
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:16,320
or maybe a little you know 30 40 foot in

2018
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:20,159
the field i stop and it keeps going west

2019
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:21,280
and then it

2020
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:23,760
uh for maybe five or ten seconds and it

2021
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:26,239
stops and it comes back in front of me

2022
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,719
and i say to it in my head i say

2023
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:30,640
you know i'll leave with you

2024
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:33,920
that's i'm fine with leaving this planet

2025
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,840
but i want you to come down here i don't

2026
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,199
want to go further out on the field

2027
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:39,120
where nobody will see that see you i

2028
01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:42,400
want somebody to see you when you land

2029
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:44,480
when you land

2030
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:46,560
and what i heard

2031
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:48,159
it was like i was talking to myself i

2032
01:16:51,030 --> 01:16:49,920
didn't hear any special voice or

2033
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:51,040
anything

2034
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:53,360
but uh what i heard was

2035
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:55,760
they're not they're not ready yet and i

2036
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:57,679
said to them well if they're not ready

2037
01:17:02,390 --> 01:16:58,640
yet

2038
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:02,400
and i basically changed my mind about

2039
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:04,000
leaving at that moment

2040
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:05,360
and so

2041
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,560
uh what it does is it drops about maybe

2042
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:10,560
one degree in the sky

2043
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:13,120
and and slows its vibration to where it

2044
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:15,520
stops the vibe stops the vibration and

2045
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:17,120
it's still spinning

2046
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:19,280
but it's no longer vibrating it's like

2047
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:20,800
it's sitting on a surface and it no

2048
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:23,199
longer needs to vibrate but it for

2049
01:17:26,790 --> 01:17:24,800
whatever reason it's still spinning but

2050
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:26,800
not vibrating

2051
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,080
and so

2052
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:30,800
at that point there's a this is one of

2053
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:32,080
those things that i have a hard time

2054
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:33,760
understanding but

2055
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:36,159
um there's a black dot

2056
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:37,920
where one of the lights was that comes

2057
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:40,560
around in front of me of and on the side

2058
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:41,679
of the craft

2059
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,640
and

2060
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:44,080
it's basically they've turned off one of

2061
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:45,360
the lights

2062
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:47,679
and i i still to this day did not know

2063
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:49,040
how i could see

2064
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:50,640
a black dot

2065
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:53,280
on a on a black surface

2066
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:55,199
in the middle of the night sky

2067
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:57,600
but i could see the actual dot

2068
01:18:02,630 --> 01:17:59,600
and i don't know how i could see it but

2069
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:02,640
it was a black dot on a black surface

2070
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:04,400
and

2071
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:06,400
so it makes a full circle with the

2072
01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:09,199
lights and that same turned off light is

2073
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:11,600
there again but there's another a second

2074
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:14,800
turned off light behind the first one

2075
01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:17,520
and it makes another rotation around and

2076
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:20,080
there's a third light turned off and it

2077
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:21,920
makes another rotation around and

2078
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:24,080
there's a fourth light turned off and it

2079
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:26,159
keeps making rotations and turning off

2080
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:28,880
light a single light with every rotation

2081
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:31,040
until it gets to the eighth light

2082
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:34,000
and when it gets to the eighth light

2083
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:36,560
it's just no longer there it's like it

2084
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:39,120
it's like it either fully cloaked or

2085
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:40,800
disappeared or went into another

2086
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:43,520
dimension or did something because when

2087
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:46,159
it turns off that eighth light

2088
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:49,120
it's not it's not there anymore visually

2089
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:51,280
and it's totally gone

2090
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:53,360
and where it was sitting where it was

2091
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,239
sitting there was three lights

2092
01:19:01,350 --> 01:18:58,800
that are perfectly level with each other

2093
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:01,360
that were within the space of the craft

2094
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:02,880
that i couldn't see

2095
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:04,960
they were behind the craft but when it

2096
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:08,880
disappears i can see those three stars

2097
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:11,440
and they were like behind the craft

2098
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:13,440
and so it's it's no longer there it

2099
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:15,440
didn't shoot off or anything it just

2100
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,840
it's either cloaked or went into another

2101
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:19,679
dimension or something but it's no

2102
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:20,560
longer

2103
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:24,159
visually visible at that point it's gone

2104
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:25,760
and so

2105
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:29,360
um i look around the sky

2106
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:30,800
and

2107
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:32,719
what i can see is

2108
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,199
are you a star trek fan

2109
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:37,360
of yes of course of course

2110
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:40,800
okay did you do you remember the uh

2111
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,560
the origin did you do you remember that

2112
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:44,159
any of the episodes of the original

2113
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:45,679
series

2114
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:48,880
oh no i don't do to talk about with kirk

2115
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:50,960
yes no i don't

2116
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:53,600
okay so there was a there was a an

2117
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:56,239
episode called day of the dove

2118
01:20:02,790 --> 01:19:58,800
and in that episode

2119
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:02,800
there's these two guys that are um

2120
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:05,679
that are uh fighting

2121
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:06,560
and

2122
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,000
the other side but they're

2123
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:18,400
the opposite of each other one is black

2124
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:20,000
on the left and one is black on the

2125
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:22,159
right and it's like

2126
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:25,360
a black and white thing on on the earth

2127
01:20:30,149 --> 01:20:27,600
uh like blacks and whites it's it's two

2128
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:30,159
guys that are from a different

2129
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:32,239
tribe each and they're fighting each

2130
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:34,560
other and when they're fighting

2131
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:36,320
um

2132
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:38,239
it's like the universe

2133
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:41,600
is swapping with another universe

2134
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:43,120
and

2135
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:44,880
you see the stars

2136
01:20:47,669 --> 01:20:46,800
in the sky

2137
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:47,679
all

2138
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:49,920
on this episode

2139
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:53,199
all the stars blink uh go off

2140
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:55,199
and another different set of stars come

2141
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:57,679
on so it's simulating

2142
01:21:02,550 --> 01:21:00,400
uh visually two different universes

2143
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:02,560
interchanging with each other as they're

2144
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:03,679
fighting

2145
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:04,880
and so

2146
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:06,960
when i look around the sky

2147
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:08,719
i'm seeing something similar but

2148
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:09,840
different

2149
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:11,920
and so

2150
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:13,679
that night there were more stars out

2151
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:16,000
than i've ever seen in my life

2152
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:18,080
i've never seen so many stars before or

2153
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,960
since but within the space of a quarter

2154
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:22,800
i could see like 10

2155
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:25,760
to 15 to 20 stars within the space of a

2156
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:26,800
quarter

2157
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:29,760
that or a silver dollar very small space

2158
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:31,520
there was a whole bunch of stars there

2159
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:33,440
was that many stars all across the sky

2160
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:34,320
right

2161
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:37,360
and within that a space of a silver

2162
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,189
all the stars within that space would go

2163
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:45,120
off at the same time

2164
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:47,199
and a different set of stars within that

2165
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:48,400
same space

2166
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:50,800
would come on while the first set of

2167
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:52,800
stars went out like they were changing

2168
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:54,480
place back and forth

2169
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:56,480
and this was occurring

2170
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:58,639
independently in the space

2171
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:01,520
space the size of a dollar a silver

2172
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:03,280
dollar

2173
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:05,199
all across the sky as far as i could see

2174
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:06,560
in every direction

2175
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,080
there were stars going off

2176
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:12,080
in that big a space and another set of

2177
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,639
stars coming on within that same space

2178
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,880
independently of every other space in

2179
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:18,320
the sky

2180
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:20,719
okay it was really bizarre it's almost

2181
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:22,080
hard to explain

2182
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:23,520
but

2183
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:26,080
it was very disorienting seeing this

2184
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:27,040
happen

2185
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:28,880
and so i closed my eyes

2186
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:30,000
and i

2187
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:31,760
i dropped to my knees

2188
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:34,480
and i uh just tried to get my bearing

2189
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,679
for a moment because it was kind of

2190
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:38,480
dizzying seeing all the stars doing this

2191
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:41,120
and so i stand back up and i open my

2192
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:43,120
eyes look around it's still doing it as

2193
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,760
far as i can see in every direction this

2194
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:47,440
effect is occurring

2195
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:48,800
and so i

2196
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:50,000
um

2197
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:57,760
and i'm looking around

2198
01:23:02,709 --> 01:22:59,600
and as i'm walking

2199
01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:02,719
the stars are doing this weird thing

2200
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:04,639
in every direction as far as i can see

2201
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:06,800
this wasn't occurring

2202
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:09,280
during the time i was walking with the

2203
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:11,440
craft or before

2204
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:13,760
it was only happening after the craft

2205
01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:15,120
disappeared

2206
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:17,040
and so

2207
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:18,080
this

2208
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:20,960
strange effect in the skies occurring

2209
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:22,880
from the moment i

2210
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:25,280
uh the craft disappeared right after it

2211
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:26,400
disappeared

2212
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:28,880
until the moment i get to

2213
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:31,440
my mother's condominium driveway

2214
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:34,639
just before i walk

2215
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:37,120
i'm not looking at the sky at this point

2216
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:38,639
i'm just looking up and looking down

2217
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:40,159
looking up

2218
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:42,480
uh at the last minute i looked down and

2219
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:46,239
then i i'm about to walk up her driveway

2220
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:48,239
and i look back up and the sky is back

2221
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:50,960
to normal it's all totally normal and so

2222
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:54,159
i walk up the driveway walk into the her

2223
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:56,159
condominium and i walk up

2224
01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:58,080
stairs and i walk in my mother's bedroom

2225
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,400
wake her up and tell her

2226
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:02,560
uh that i just saw a

2227
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:04,639
strange

2228
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:07,199
craft and she thinks i'm great you know

2229
01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:09,360
temporarily crazy or whatever

2230
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:12,080
uh she can't wrap her mind around this

2231
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:13,520
you know event

2232
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,040
i don't really go into it the kind of

2233
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:17,360
detail with you i just

2234
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:18,880
told her very briefly that i saw

2235
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:19,840
something

2236
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:22,080
and she doesn't she of course thinks i'm

2237
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,360
you know

2238
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:25,679
temporarily insane or something

2239
01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:26,960
so

2240
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:28,400
anyway

2241
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:29,600
um

2242
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:32,000
so it goes on from there and

2243
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:34,800
i um

2244
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:36,719
i

2245
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:39,920
called uh the next day

2246
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,960
this was like a um

2247
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:44,880
think this was saturday night october

2248
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:47,040
3rd 1980 i think that was a saturday

2249
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:48,239
night

2250
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:51,440
and so the next day is a sunday i call

2251
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:53,360
the next day i call ellington air force

2252
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:55,280
base and i

2253
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:59,199
say uh you know have you guys

2254
01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:01,120
seen anything unusual in the sky in the

2255
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:02,080
last

2256
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:03,440
few days

2257
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:04,239
and

2258
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:06,000
oh no wait

2259
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:08,639
wrong i'm telling the story wrong okay

2260
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:11,120
so when i call ellington air force base

2261
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:12,400
it's a sunday

2262
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:14,320
right this was a saturday the encounter

2263
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:16,880
was on saturday night next day i call

2264
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,520
it's a sunday right

2265
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:21,120
so

2266
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:27,830
says well you want to talk to us

2267
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:31,120
i say something to the fact you know

2268
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:32,000
uh

2269
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:33,679
have you seen anything i don't remember

2270
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,440
exactly what i said

2271
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:37,679
but the guy says well you want to talk

2272
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:39,440
to the people in the tower

2273
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:41,040
and you can't get through to the tower

2274
01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:42,880
because it's sunday and there's no

2275
01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:45,280
switchboard to let you talk to the

2276
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:46,639
people in the tower

2277
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:49,120
on a sunday so you need to call back

2278
01:25:54,709 --> 01:25:52,239
tomorrow on a monday

2279
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,719
to talk to the people in the tower

2280
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:56,719
this i'm i'm the guy in the fire

2281
01:26:02,070 --> 01:25:59,199
department and i can't switch you into

2282
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:02,080
the tower and so i said okay we both

2283
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:05,440
hang up and so on monday the next

2284
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:07,440
two days after the event

2285
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:09,760
i call back to ellington air force base

2286
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:10,960
and i say

2287
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:13,040
you know have you seen anything last

2288
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:14,480
couple days

2289
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:16,159
and uh

2290
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:19,040
and the guy goes no hold on a second

2291
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:21,520
and he sets the phone down then he picks

2292
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:23,120
for a few seconds and picks it back up

2293
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:25,360
and says no we haven't seen anything

2294
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:26,880
what uh what did

2295
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:28,800
what did you see or what where did you

2296
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:32,239
see something and i told him where i was

2297
01:26:36,229 --> 01:26:33,920
and he said hold on just a minute it

2298
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:36,239
sets the phone down a second time and i

2299
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:37,760
assume he got up

2300
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:39,360
out of his chair and walked over to the

2301
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:40,960
guy who was

2302
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:42,080
covering

2303
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:45,280
the radars that are looking at my area

2304
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:47,600
and he comes back and picks up the phone

2305
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:49,520
i expect him to say no we haven't seen

2306
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,480
anything

2307
01:26:54,629 --> 01:26:52,080
sorry bye

2308
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:54,639
but that's not what he says he goes

2309
01:27:00,550 --> 01:26:57,440
uh i'm sorry but we're not allowed to

2310
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:00,560
talk about this subject at this time

2311
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:02,400
and i'm like

2312
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:06,000
excuse me and uh and he repeats it he

2313
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:07,760
said i'm sorry we're not allowed to talk

2314
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:09,040
about this

2315
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:11,360
at this time and i was like you didn't

2316
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:13,600
see anything you just put me on right

2317
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:14,800
and

2318
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:18,880
same thing like three times

2319
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:20,719
straight totally straight faced and

2320
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:22,320
everything and i'm like

2321
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:24,000
if he was joking he did a really good

2322
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:26,000
job of it because

2323
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,760
he didn't

2324
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:29,840
he wouldn't deny

2325
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:33,679
and he wouldn't confirm and so

2326
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:35,920
i said okay thank you very much and hung

2327
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:36,800
up

2328
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:37,920
and

2329
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:40,560
so after that i wrote

2330
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:43,760
i wrote a letter to omni magazine

2331
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:44,880
and

2332
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:47,760
i told them about the encounter

2333
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:48,880
and

2334
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:51,760
expected never to hear from them again

2335
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,080
and so six months after

2336
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:59,430
writing to them about this encounter

2337
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:01,040
they call me up

2338
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:07,590
you know this is back when

2339
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:10,560
a phone call from new york to texas

2340
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:12,320
would be very expensive

2341
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:13,520
during the day

2342
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:15,760
and so this lady says i'm going to call

2343
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:18,159
you back at late 11 o'clock at night

2344
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:19,920
when the rates are cheaper

2345
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:22,239
and so and and said okay and then she

2346
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:24,639
hangs up we hang up and she calls me

2347
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:28,629
later that night eleven o'clock that

2348
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:29,600
night

2349
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:30,400
and

2350
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:33,600
we get into this conversation we talk

2351
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:36,560
uh when it's not long distance is not

2352
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:38,880
free even at eleven o'clock

2353
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:40,239
and so

2354
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:42,880
uh we talked for like an hour or two and

2355
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:45,040
at the end of this conversation the lady

2356
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:48,239
tells me she's from omni magazine

2357
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:49,760
and she says

2358
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:51,440
we're gonna we're gonna print your story

2359
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:53,520
and i'm like you're joking and she goes

2360
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:55,199
no we're gonna print it

2361
01:29:00,310 --> 01:28:57,920
and uh but you need to call back in

2362
01:29:01,590 --> 01:29:00,320
a couple weeks to find out what issue

2363
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:01,600
it's gonna be in

2364
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:03,360
i've said why would you print my story

2365
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:04,639
you have no proof

2366
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:06,880
that i'm not lying to you and she goes

2367
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:08,800
well we know you're telling the truth

2368
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:11,920
we're going to print it and uh

2369
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:14,000
she

2370
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:18,800
i call back

2371
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:21,040
she gave me her home phone number so i

2372
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:23,600
called back a couple weeks later like

2373
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:24,800
she said

2374
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:27,199
and her husband picks up the phone

2375
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:30,560
and i said is uh

2376
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:32,159
i get you know i asked him for his

2377
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:35,040
wife's you know i said is she there

2378
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:36,880
and uh

2379
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:38,880
and he goes why are you calling and i

2380
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:40,639
said i told him

2381
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:42,639
uh because your wife told me to call sh

2382
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:44,239
this is a story

2383
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:45,760
that she's covering

2384
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:47,920
and she told me to call her at her house

2385
01:29:51,189 --> 01:29:49,840
and he goes don't ever call this number

2386
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:51,199
again

2387
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:52,960
and he was very angry

2388
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:54,800
and i said well how am i supposed to

2389
01:29:59,430 --> 01:29:57,520
reach your wife if i

2390
01:30:01,110 --> 01:29:59,440
this is the number she gave me and i

2391
01:30:03,270 --> 01:30:01,120
have no other numbers for

2392
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:03,280
and he gave me her work number

2393
01:30:06,629 --> 01:30:05,440
and he said call that number don't ever

2394
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:06,639
call this one

2395
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:08,639
and i said okay thank you very much and

2396
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:09,760
hung up

2397
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:11,840
and so i called

2398
01:30:16,629 --> 01:30:14,320
uh this uh reporter

2399
01:30:18,149 --> 01:30:16,639
at the omni magazine

2400
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:18,159
at her office

2401
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:19,040
and

2402
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:21,520
her editor picks up

2403
01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:22,960
the line

2404
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:24,239
and

2405
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:26,159
i say uh

2406
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:28,320
i tell her who i am and why i'm calling

2407
01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:29,679
and

2408
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:33,120
that i'm calling to find out what issue

2409
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:34,800
my story is going to be in

2410
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:36,960
and she goes well

2411
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:37,760
uh

2412
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:39,840
we're not sure if we're going to print

2413
01:30:44,790 --> 01:30:41,360
your story

2414
01:30:49,510 --> 01:30:46,790
what do you mean she said you guys are

2415
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:49,520
going to print it and she goes well

2416
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:51,760
there's a lot of ufo stories out right

2417
01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:52,719
now

2418
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:56,560
we're just we might not print it

2419
01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:58,080
he says call back in a couple weeks and

2420
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:59,040
i'll let you know if we're going to

2421
01:31:04,470 --> 01:31:00,000
print it

2422
01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:04,480
and we hang up and uh so i

2423
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:07,600
call her back in a couple weeks and she

2424
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:10,320
goes uh i'm sorry we're not going to

2425
01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:13,360
print your story i asked her

2426
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:15,040
i guess i've kind of screwed up the

2427
01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:16,880
story a little bit but she

2428
01:31:20,950 --> 01:31:19,679
originally i asked for the reporter and

2429
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:20,960
she goes

2430
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:23,760
well she doesn't work here anymore

2431
01:31:28,229 --> 01:31:25,440
and i was like what do you mean you

2432
01:31:30,229 --> 01:31:28,239
fired her and so i said and she goes no

2433
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:30,239
she still works for us but she doesn't

2434
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:32,800
work at this facility anymore so you

2435
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:35,199
can't talk to her here

2436
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:37,120
and i say well her husband won't let me

2437
01:31:40,709 --> 01:31:39,440
call her house and you won't let me talk

2438
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:40,719
to her at work

2439
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:42,880
so how am i going to talk to her

2440
01:31:46,229 --> 01:31:44,400
if i can't get to her at work and i

2441
01:31:48,229 --> 01:31:46,239
can't do it to her at home i wanted to

2442
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:48,239
talk to her and she didn't care she just

2443
01:31:51,030 --> 01:31:49,440
like

2444
01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:51,040
doesn't want me

2445
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:53,280
or she's you know she doesn't give me a

2446
01:31:57,270 --> 01:31:54,880
different number for the

2447
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:57,280
for uh the reporter

2448
01:32:01,510 --> 01:31:59,840
and i can't call her at home and i can't

2449
01:32:02,709 --> 01:32:01,520
reach her at that

2450
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:02,719
that uh

2451
01:32:06,550 --> 01:32:04,719
that location at work

2452
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:06,560
and they're no longer going to print it

2453
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:08,560
so i figured well i said to her the

2454
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:10,080
second time i

2455
01:32:13,750 --> 01:32:12,719
i or one of the times i talked to the

2456
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:13,760
editor

2457
01:32:16,950 --> 01:32:15,440
i said to her well the government must

2458
01:32:18,629 --> 01:32:16,960
have got to you too

2459
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:18,639
and she goes no we're just you know

2460
01:32:21,110 --> 01:32:20,239
we're not sure if we should print or not

2461
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:21,120
you know

2462
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:22,719
she's him and holland i assume the

2463
01:32:26,629 --> 01:32:24,800
government got to them and told him not

2464
01:32:27,990 --> 01:32:26,639
to not to print it

2465
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:28,000
so

2466
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:29,280
anyway

2467
01:32:35,189 --> 01:32:32,000
uh that was the

2468
01:32:36,550 --> 01:32:35,199
first encounter and subsequent follow-up

2469
01:32:37,669 --> 01:32:36,560
stuff that have to do with the first

2470
01:32:40,709 --> 01:32:37,679
encounter

2471
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:40,719
so i

2472
01:32:43,830 --> 01:32:42,000
after i

2473
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:43,840
had the first encounter i was thinking

2474
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:45,920
well that i made a mistake that i should

2475
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:46,639
have

2476
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:48,480
gone with them

2477
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:50,400
to leave the planet and

2478
01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:52,560
that i made a mistake by staying

2479
01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:55,760
so i started thinking well when could

2480
01:33:00,070 --> 01:32:57,760
when could um

2481
01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:00,080
when might they return

2482
01:33:03,590 --> 01:33:02,320
to come back to the you know where i

2483
01:33:05,189 --> 01:33:03,600
could see him again and have another

2484
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:05,199
chance to leave

2485
01:33:10,950 --> 01:33:08,400
and uh and i thought about it i was like

2486
01:33:14,790 --> 01:33:12,470
thought about the fact that the space

2487
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:14,800
shuttle was about to launch

2488
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:16,320
in six months

2489
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:17,440
and

2490
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:19,199
you know i was thinking like thinking

2491
01:33:24,149 --> 01:33:21,760
like this right after like the next day

2492
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:24,159
after the first encounter and start

2493
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:26,159
thinking about when i could actually get

2494
01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:27,920
another chance to leave

2495
01:33:31,350 --> 01:33:29,440
why would they return

2496
01:33:34,149 --> 01:33:31,360
and when would that be

2497
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:34,159
and i thought about the space shuttle

2498
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:36,960
that the aliens might

2499
01:33:39,910 --> 01:33:38,880
uh want to see a

2500
01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:39,920
us

2501
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:45,600
from earth

2502
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:47,920
being the shuttle which is

2503
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:50,719
going to launch in six months i figured

2504
01:33:53,910 --> 01:33:52,400
they might come back to see the space

2505
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:53,920
shuttle launch and then i'd get another

2506
01:33:57,030 --> 01:33:55,440
chance to go

2507
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:57,040
and so

2508
01:34:01,750 --> 01:33:58,080
so

2509
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:01,760
i thought about my dad my dad owned

2510
01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:04,080
a couple pre-production

2511
01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:06,239
fiberglass corvettes

2512
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:10,239
that were put on the street before

2513
01:34:14,229 --> 01:34:12,960
chevrolet ever produced the first

2514
01:34:16,629 --> 01:34:14,239
fiberglass

2515
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:16,639
corvette the first year was steel

2516
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:19,679
and before the fiberglass came out in

2517
01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:21,760
production they had a couple

2518
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:23,199
pre-production

2519
01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:25,280
uh prototypes driving around the street

2520
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:28,080
my dad had somehow purchased

2521
01:34:31,669 --> 01:34:29,760
one at least one

2522
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:31,679
later a second of those

2523
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:34,000
they're white and probably i would be

2524
01:34:36,629 --> 01:34:35,760
worth they would be worth a fortune now

2525
01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:36,639
if i

2526
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:38,800
had one of them and it was still meant

2527
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:39,760
condition

2528
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:42,239
so anyway i thought about

2529
01:34:45,030 --> 01:34:43,920
cops used to stop him and give him

2530
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:45,040
tickets

2531
01:34:48,629 --> 01:34:46,800
without him

2532
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:48,639
speeding even when he wasn't speeding

2533
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:50,159
they'd give him a ticket just so that

2534
01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:52,480
they could see the car because nobody

2535
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:53,840
knew what it was

2536
01:34:57,030 --> 01:34:55,199
and the cops would give him a ticket

2537
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:57,040
just so they could see the car and i

2538
01:35:01,750 --> 01:34:58,960
thought about that and i was thinking

2539
01:35:03,189 --> 01:35:01,760
well the way i'll get on base

2540
01:35:06,629 --> 01:35:03,199
to see the

2541
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:06,639
launch

2542
01:35:11,590 --> 01:35:09,040
i'll get do that by

2543
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:11,600
getting a unique vehicle like my dad's

2544
01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:13,440
corvette

2545
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:14,560
and

2546
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:19,440
yamaha was coming out with the virago v

2547
01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:21,520
twin at that time they just started

2548
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:23,679
advertising on tv and i hadn't even seen

2549
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:25,440
one on the street so i figured i'll buy

2550
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:27,360
one of those

2551
01:35:30,229 --> 01:35:28,400
and get

2552
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:30,239
and i'll park it on the i'll drive it

2553
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:31,760
down to

2554
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:34,000
cocoa beach park it on the

2555
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:36,000
on the beach and somebody with a ticket

2556
01:35:39,990 --> 01:35:37,520
to get on base

2557
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:40,000
walk over and look at the motorcycle

2558
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:42,719
and start talking with me and invite me

2559
01:35:46,870 --> 01:35:45,280
on to the nasa base to see the first

2560
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:46,880
space shuttle launch

2561
01:35:50,550 --> 01:35:48,159
and

2562
01:35:54,629 --> 01:35:50,560
then i'll get to see the uh aliens the

2563
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,639
second time so that's what happened i um

2564
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:56,400
it's there's kind of a long

2565
01:36:01,750 --> 01:35:59,040
series of things that happen between

2566
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:01,760
that thought and actually it occurring

2567
01:36:07,270 --> 01:36:04,719
but i eventually was in a position after

2568
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:07,280
my car the one i just mentioned was

2569
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:08,400
stolen

2570
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:13,199
the money from it to buy

2571
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:14,400
an old

2572
01:36:20,790 --> 01:36:16,960
kawasaki 750 and i took used that as a

2573
01:36:22,629 --> 01:36:20,800
down payment on a ya yamaha virago

2574
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:22,639
uh

2575
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:25,440
v twin 750

2576
01:36:30,709 --> 01:36:28,320
and um

2577
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:30,719
and i took it down to cocoa beach parked

2578
01:36:34,870 --> 01:36:32,800
it on the beach and the guy walked over

2579
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:34,880
started looking at it asked me how i was

2580
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:36,719
gonna watch the launch

2581
01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:38,560
and i said i had no idea

2582
01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:40,239
and he said well i've got a pass to get

2583
01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:42,400
on base you can ride with me

2584
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:44,560
on base me and my family

2585
01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:46,320
and uh

2586
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:48,000
and you can see the launch on base with

2587
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:49,199
us

2588
01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:51,119
and it worked out exactly like i

2589
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:52,400
expected

2590
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:54,480
and

2591
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:55,840
so

2592
01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:56,290
um

2593
01:36:58,100 --> 01:36:57,760
[Music]

2594
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:58,110
i'm

2595
01:37:00,470 --> 01:36:59,199
[Music]

2596
01:37:01,910 --> 01:37:00,480
um

2597
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:01,920
following him

2598
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:04,239
and his family they were in a

2599
01:37:10,229 --> 01:37:07,760
station wagon with uh fake wood

2600
01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:10,239
they had those old woody station wagons

2601
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:13,600
that had a fake wood panel on the side

2602
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:14,639
and

2603
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:16,400
um

2604
01:37:22,229 --> 01:37:18,880
we drove from the beach to cocoa beach

2605
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:22,239
to the bay to cape canaveral base

2606
01:37:23,590 --> 01:37:22,490
and

2607
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:23,600
[Music]

2608
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:25,840
cape kennedy

2609
01:37:30,229 --> 01:37:27,920
or cape canaveral

2610
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:30,239
the kennedy space center

2611
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:31,199
and

2612
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:33,679
john f kennedy space center

2613
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:36,480
we parked i i parked the motorcycle

2614
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:38,320
outside the gate

2615
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:41,360
got into the station wagon

2616
01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:43,280
and uh

2617
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:45,199
i think i

2618
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:46,639
uh yeah

2619
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:49,280
and i was in the station wagon

2620
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:51,679
and uh

2621
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:53,760
driving along with these people riding

2622
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:55,119
along with these people

2623
01:37:59,430 --> 01:37:56,320
and there was

2624
01:38:02,149 --> 01:37:59,440
the father of the kids was driving

2625
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:02,159
his wife was back at the house with

2626
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:03,360
their infant

2627
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:04,960
and newborn

2628
01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:07,280
and he had a i guess it was an employee

2629
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:08,719
of his

2630
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:10,960
or her friend or somebody a young german

2631
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:11,840
kid

2632
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:14,320
a young early 20s sitting in the

2633
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:15,679
passenger seat

2634
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:19,189
his

2635
01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:21,280
i was sitting in the

2636
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:22,719
second bench

2637
01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:23,920
row

2638
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:26,159
behind the uh driver

2639
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:28,159
and on the right side

2640
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:31,840
and his uh

2641
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:33,760
eldest boy

2642
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:35,840
and his

2643
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:38,639
the girl were sitting to my left and

2644
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:40,480
then behind me there was a six-year-old

2645
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:43,600
boy sitting where you'd have luggage

2646
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:45,679
but there was no luggage back there

2647
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:47,840
and so

2648
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:50,080
as we're going on base

2649
01:38:57,030 --> 01:38:51,600
i

2650
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:57,040
about

2651
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:58,400
my

2652
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:59,920
first close encounter the one i just

2653
01:39:02,229 --> 01:39:01,199
told you about

2654
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:02,239
and so

2655
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:05,679
i start telling them that story

2656
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:07,199
and

2657
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:09,119
um

2658
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:10,800
actually i'm

2659
01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:14,880
i'm telling this story wrong so

2660
01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:18,159
okay so we go on base

2661
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:19,760
and we go all the way

2662
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:21,840
to where we park

2663
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,189
and

2664
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:29,679
the launch of the shuttle

2665
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:32,000
it gets to the countdown t-minus 10

2666
01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:33,440
seconds

2667
01:39:37,590 --> 01:39:34,960
to launch

2668
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:37,600
and they stop the countdown

2669
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:40,320
and they freeze the launch and then

2670
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:42,560
after an hour or two of the astronauts

2671
01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:43,760
sitting in that

2672
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:46,560
space shuttle they scrub the launch

2673
01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:52,310
and they announce that they're going to

2674
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:55,760
relaunch this was like on a saturday

2675
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:57,360
and that or i think it was actually on

2676
01:40:00,790 --> 01:39:58,480
friday

2677
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,800
and they announced that they're gonna

2678
01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:02,000
um

2679
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:04,960
relaunch on a like tuesday

2680
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:08,000
monday or tuesday of the next week like

2681
01:40:13,189 --> 01:40:11,280
three or four days later it's like goes

2682
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:13,199
from friday to tuesday

2683
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,520
and so

2684
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,760
so the guy says to me well i didn't come

2685
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:19,520
here to go home without seeing launch

2686
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:22,080
i'm i'm staying until i launch it next

2687
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:23,280
tuesday

2688
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:25,199
and i hope i'm gonna get a hotel down on

2689
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:27,119
daytona beach and there's gonna be a lot

2690
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:28,880
of women down there why don't you just

2691
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:30,320
go with us

2692
01:40:34,709 --> 01:40:32,480
to uh

2693
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:34,719
hold on

2694
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:36,320
why don't you just go with us and hang

2695
01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:38,000
out in the hotel room

2696
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:39,520
and check out all the women and then

2697
01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:41,920
we'll come back on tuesday and see the

2698
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:44,239
launch i said that sounds great i can't

2699
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:45,520
i'm not going home either until the

2700
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:47,920
launch so that sounds great i love to

2701
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:49,679
hang out in your hotel room

2702
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:52,239
uh until the launch on tuesday so i'll

2703
01:40:56,629 --> 01:40:54,080
follow him

2704
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,639
in his station wagon from

2705
01:41:01,910 --> 01:40:58,960
cape canaveral to

2706
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:01,920
uh or kennedy uh space center

2707
01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:05,760
uh slash cape canaveral to daytona

2708
01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:07,840
and uh

2709
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:09,760
i'll lose them on the way and i have to

2710
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:11,360
find them on the beach it's kind of a

2711
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:13,600
long story eventually i find them on the

2712
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:16,560
beach and then we go to the hotel room

2713
01:41:20,709 --> 01:41:18,719
and he lets me sleep in his hotel room

2714
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:20,719
while they're out doing things outside

2715
01:41:24,550 --> 01:41:22,719
and i sleep for

2716
01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:24,560
pretty much the whole time

2717
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:26,960
i had stayed awake for like three days

2718
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:29,760
straight to get from houston

2719
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:30,880
to

2720
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:33,440
cape canaveral in the shortest amount of

2721
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:35,440
time i just stayed awake

2722
01:41:39,030 --> 01:41:37,840
that for the amount of time it took me

2723
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:39,040
to get from

2724
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:41,440
houston to cape canaveral i stayed awake

2725
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:42,880
all but about

2726
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:45,679
uh you know i think i slept one night

2727
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:47,119
during that whole

2728
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:48,719
trap travel

2729
01:41:52,229 --> 01:41:50,800
and the rest of time i was just

2730
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:52,239
just on the road

2731
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:54,400
and

2732
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:56,400
so

2733
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:57,760
i slept

2734
01:42:03,189 --> 01:42:01,040
from the first attempted launch almost

2735
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:03,199
all the time till the second attempted

2736
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:04,320
launch

2737
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:05,520
and

2738
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:06,560
uh

2739
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:08,400
so we go back

2740
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:09,920
and i fall in this

2741
01:42:14,709 --> 01:42:12,400
back from cape canaver from

2742
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:14,719
from daytona beach to cape canaveral

2743
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:18,560
and we park outside the gate of the base

2744
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:20,239
just like the first time and i get in

2745
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:21,280
their car

2746
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:23,920
station wagon a second time

2747
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:24,960
and go

2748
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:28,080
on base it's like 5 5 30 in the morning

2749
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:30,960
it's it's very dark there's no moon out

2750
01:42:35,109 --> 01:42:32,080
and

2751
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:35,119
uh the second time we go on the base

2752
01:42:39,990 --> 01:42:38,080
i have the idea i should tell them about

2753
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:40,000
my first encounter like i was about to

2754
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:41,360
tell you a while ago i almost got the

2755
01:42:44,870 --> 01:42:42,400
story out of

2756
01:42:46,229 --> 01:42:44,880
out of kilter but i didn't tell them the

2757
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:46,239
first time i went on base i told them

2758
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,800
the second time we went on base

2759
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:50,480
for the actual launch

2760
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:52,000
and so

2761
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:54,000
i tell them the whole story just like i

2762
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:55,199
told you

2763
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:57,280
and the the second i finished telling

2764
01:43:02,070 --> 01:43:00,159
them the story just like i told you i

2765
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:02,080
spit out the last word

2766
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:03,679
and the german kid

2767
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:05,920
in the passenger seat laughs at me he

2768
01:43:09,830 --> 01:43:08,239
doesn't believe the story i just told

2769
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:09,840
you at all

2770
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:11,119
so he laughs

2771
01:43:19,109 --> 01:43:16,149
i say

2772
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:19,119
to god i said god i wish you'd show that

2773
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:21,199
i say this mentally in my head as he's

2774
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:23,119
laughing i said god i wish you would

2775
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:24,639
show them

2776
01:43:27,189 --> 01:43:25,440
what

2777
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:27,199
you showed me

2778
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:28,239
and

2779
01:43:32,070 --> 01:43:30,000
within a second

2780
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:32,080
or two or three seconds

2781
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:34,480
of my wish in my head

2782
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:37,360
out in front of the car is another craft

2783
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:39,440
looking exactly like the one i just told

2784
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:40,639
you about

2785
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:43,679
it's black it's like a black hole no it

2786
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:45,360
no surface

2787
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:48,880
no no reflection of light it's absorbing

2788
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:50,480
all light

2789
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:52,880
eight equidistant lights around the edge

2790
01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:54,719
it's exactly identical to the first

2791
01:43:58,229 --> 01:43:56,080
craft

2792
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:58,239
that i mentioned it was like an answer

2793
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:59,760
to my prayer

2794
01:44:01,990 --> 01:44:01,119
exactly

2795
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:02,000
and

2796
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:03,760
the only difference was

2797
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:07,040
is that it was slightly lower

2798
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:08,159
and

2799
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:10,560
it was not vibrating

2800
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:11,679
and

2801
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:13,280
we're looking at it from the side just

2802
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:15,600
like the first time

2803
01:44:18,550 --> 01:44:16,960
it's way out in front of the car and

2804
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:18,560
we're going around a left curving

2805
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:20,560
causeway road

2806
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:26,550
and it is

2807
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:28,080
um

2808
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:30,719
a little bit lower than the first craft

2809
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:32,880
if i could if he had stopped the car

2810
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:34,400
underneath the craft

2811
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:36,480
we go under it we drive directly under

2812
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:38,159
this thing but it's

2813
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:39,520
it's about

2814
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:42,800
somewhere between 30 to 50 feet above

2815
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:45,840
the left curving causeway road

2816
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:47,119
and

2817
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:49,280
it's right in the middle of the road

2818
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:52,320
30 to 50 feet off the off the road

2819
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:53,760
and

2820
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:56,000
we drive straight underneath

2821
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:57,360
the craft

2822
01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:58,560
and

2823
01:45:07,030 --> 01:44:59,920
the

2824
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:07,040
on this station wagon are curved out

2825
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:11,040
and so i stick the top of my head

2826
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:13,840
against the out curving

2827
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:14,960
window

2828
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:17,199
and look straight up and i can when

2829
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:19,280
we're underneath this thing i can see

2830
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:25,030
because it's bigger than

2831
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:26,560
the width of the car

2832
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:28,719
and it's probably

2833
01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:30,400
if you take a highway

2834
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:32,239
a

2835
01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:37,840
side

2836
01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:40,159
and then a little bit beyond that

2837
01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:42,719
this craft wasn't much bigger than that

2838
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:44,080
it might have been a little bit bigger

2839
01:45:46,950 --> 01:45:45,280
than that but

2840
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:46,960
not much

2841
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:48,000
and so

2842
01:45:51,109 --> 01:45:49,600
if i'd have got out of the car i could

2843
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:51,119
have hit this thing with a rock it was

2844
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:52,560
that low

2845
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:54,719
and with a rifle for sure i could have

2846
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:55,840
shot it

2847
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:57,280
and so

2848
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:02,070
so

2849
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:04,080
we drive

2850
01:46:07,510 --> 01:46:05,040
well

2851
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,520
before we get to this craft

2852
01:46:10,709 --> 01:46:09,440
i'm looking around

2853
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:10,719
and

2854
01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:13,760
uh what i know first thing i notice

2855
01:46:17,109 --> 01:46:15,679
before we even reach the crab

2856
01:46:19,109 --> 01:46:17,119
is that

2857
01:46:21,669 --> 01:46:19,119
um the

2858
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:21,679
well when it first appears

2859
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:24,960
the kid in the past right right from

2860
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:28,800
front right passenger seat says to the

2861
01:46:34,229 --> 01:46:31,679
to the driver the father of the kids he

2862
01:46:36,229 --> 01:46:34,239
says maybe that's what he saw

2863
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:36,239
and the driver goes yeah maybe that is

2864
01:46:41,189 --> 01:46:37,520
what he saw

2865
01:46:43,350 --> 01:46:41,199
they both acknowledge that they see it

2866
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:43,360
and that it's sitting there

2867
01:46:48,070 --> 01:46:45,920
and then after they say those two sets

2868
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:48,080
of words

2869
01:46:52,390 --> 01:46:50,320
immediately after they say that it's

2870
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:52,400
like their brains are

2871
01:46:56,629 --> 01:46:55,679
suddenly change to where they no longer

2872
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:56,639
uh

2873
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:58,800
care that it's sitting there they're not

2874
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:00,880
staring at they're not gawking at it

2875
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:02,719
they don't care about it anymore they

2876
01:47:08,229 --> 01:47:05,600
acknowledge its presence and they

2877
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:08,239
and it's like they forget about it and

2878
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:10,400
so

2879
01:47:13,990 --> 01:47:12,639
as this is occurring right after he says

2880
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:14,000
that

2881
01:47:19,109 --> 01:47:16,800
i'll i'm looking around

2882
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:19,119
and the kids

2883
01:47:23,510 --> 01:47:21,360
the two kids the young girl young boy

2884
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:23,520
older boy

2885
01:47:26,550 --> 01:47:24,880
sitting to my left

2886
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:26,560
it's like uh

2887
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:29,360
batman's mr freeze has

2888
01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:31,679
shot them with the freezer ray they are

2889
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:33,119
absolutely

2890
01:47:39,189 --> 01:47:36,639
and the and the youngest kids the

2891
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:39,199
the uh five or six year old

2892
01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:40,480
in the

2893
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:43,600
maybe

2894
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:45,440
uh he's

2895
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:47,119
they're all frozen

2896
01:47:50,950 --> 01:47:49,440
they're not moving a muscle they're not

2897
01:47:52,629 --> 01:47:50,960
moving their eyeballs

2898
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:52,639
not their physical body nothing they're

2899
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:54,719
absolutely frozen all three kids

2900
01:47:58,470 --> 01:47:56,239
now the adults

2901
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:58,480
the young boy the young

2902
01:48:01,910 --> 01:47:59,920
20 something

2903
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:01,920
a passenger and

2904
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:04,639
the driver they're all norm totally

2905
01:48:09,270 --> 01:48:06,880
normal but they don't care that it's

2906
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:09,280
sitting there they're not gawking at it

2907
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:10,960
or doing anything in reference to it

2908
01:48:15,189 --> 01:48:13,199
after acknowledging its presence

2909
01:48:18,070 --> 01:48:15,199
and so we drive under this thing i look

2910
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:18,080
up at it with my head against the window

2911
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:21,600
we drive past it i look back it's behind

2912
01:48:25,669 --> 01:48:24,159
us still turning

2913
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:25,679
spinning

2914
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:25,850
and

2915
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:27,679
[Music]

2916
01:48:30,229 --> 01:48:29,280
not vibrating

2917
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:30,239
and

2918
01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:32,400
we go keep going around the causeway

2919
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:36,320
road until we get to a point where the

2920
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:38,400
where the um

2921
01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:40,320
where the trees block

2922
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:42,000
the

2923
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:50,719
trees

2924
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:56,149
that's two of my encounters

2925
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:57,600
and

2926
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:01,119
i had another one in peru

2927
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:02,639
um

2928
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:08,870
my concert interrupted i was going to

2929
01:49:12,149 --> 01:49:10,400
ask um

2930
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:12,159
these other things that you wanted to

2931
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:13,599
cover the

2932
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:16,320
what causes all these other ass you know

2933
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:18,800
other things you were reading off on

2934
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:19,920
your list

2935
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:21,760
um is there something you can go into

2936
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:23,840
that and and is it is there a

2937
01:49:27,830 --> 01:49:26,080
correlation are you saying that this is

2938
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:27,840
all those things that you that you

2939
01:49:30,390 --> 01:49:28,960
listed off

2940
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:30,400
is that more of a correlation to

2941
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:33,040
attaching spirits or to alien

2942
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:34,880
aliens particularly

2943
01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:35,840
well

2944
01:49:39,430 --> 01:49:38,560
the what i was going to go over

2945
01:49:41,750 --> 01:49:39,440
uh

2946
01:49:44,070 --> 01:49:41,760
the potential path that i could go with

2947
01:49:45,589 --> 01:49:44,080
this conversation that really doesn't

2948
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:45,599
have anything to do with aliens it has

2949
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:46,880
to do with

2950
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:50,159
uh attaching spirits however

2951
01:49:54,830 --> 01:49:53,360
if you let me go to the my kind of peru

2952
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:54,840
i will

2953
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:58,320
uh tie it all in a little better with a

2954
01:50:01,189 --> 01:50:00,320
slightly near bow

2955
01:50:03,750 --> 01:50:01,199
but

2956
01:50:05,589 --> 01:50:03,760
if you want i'll go down that path

2957
01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:05,599
attaching spirits are more important to

2958
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:08,800
discuss because they cause all of the

2959
01:50:12,229 --> 01:50:10,560
problems on this planet

2960
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:12,239
and i can go

2961
01:50:14,709 --> 01:50:13,520
into

2962
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:14,719
your under

2963
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:17,520
kind of proving or giving pieces of

2964
01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:19,920
information that from my experience and

2965
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:22,000
other pieces of knowledge that kind of

2966
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:22,960
prove

2967
01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:24,719
that attaching spirits cause the

2968
01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:27,040
problems on this planet but the

2969
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:30,000
attaching spirits don't directly relate

2970
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:31,440
to the aliens

2971
01:50:36,229 --> 01:50:33,760
in any way shape or form

2972
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,239
the only

2973
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:38,400
there is another path we could also go

2974
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:39,520
down

2975
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:41,040
um

2976
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:42,880
i mentioned earlier about

2977
01:50:46,149 --> 01:50:44,800
when i do that instead

2978
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:46,159
so

2979
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:47,840
remember i mentioned earlier about being

2980
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:50,400
bitten by the astral bug the invisible

2981
01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:53,840
astral bug i mentioned the the uh

2982
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:56,320
the uh skin walkers on skin walker ranch

2983
01:51:02,310 --> 01:50:57,599
being

2984
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:02,320
and go back to the astral plane that

2985
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:03,520
sort of thing

2986
01:51:07,589 --> 01:51:06,320
okay that's sort of like aliens right

2987
01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:07,599
okay but

2988
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:09,520
however

2989
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:13,040
i as a hypnotherapist i had a

2990
01:51:17,109 --> 01:51:14,639
client who was

2991
01:51:19,589 --> 01:51:17,119
used as a breeder for the greys

2992
01:51:21,669 --> 01:51:19,599
and i mentioned her earlier about the 72

2993
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:21,679
encounters and all that

2994
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:23,520
well i'm going to go back to her just

2995
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:25,199
for a moment because

2996
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:27,360
it kind of ties into all this

2997
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:28,480
so

2998
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:31,040
with the astral

2999
01:51:35,109 --> 01:51:32,880
injuries coming to earth

3000
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:35,119
and that ties in with the aliens too

3001
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:36,400
so

3002
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:37,440
anyway

3003
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:40,480
when she was nine years of age

3004
01:51:44,629 --> 01:51:42,960
they the aliens when they first abducted

3005
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:44,639
her she was nine

3006
01:51:49,270 --> 01:51:46,800
and they injected her with some kind of

3007
01:51:52,149 --> 01:51:49,280
growth hormone that allowed her to

3008
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:52,159
mature sexually at a younger age than

3009
01:51:58,629 --> 01:51:55,679
she would normally mature sexually right

3010
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:58,639
so but before they abducted her the

3011
01:52:03,109 --> 01:52:00,719
first time at the age of nine to give

3012
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:03,119
her that injection

3013
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:04,960
um

3014
01:52:09,750 --> 01:52:07,040
she had an encounter with

3015
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:09,760
what she called astral demons

3016
01:52:14,709 --> 01:52:12,080
that was her description i'm not saying

3017
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:14,719
they're demonic or their actual demons

3018
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:16,480
i'm saying that was

3019
01:52:21,430 --> 01:52:19,040
the phrase she used to describe them

3020
01:52:22,470 --> 01:52:21,440
probably because they looked hideous

3021
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:22,480
okay

3022
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:23,520
so

3023
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:25,440
she was in a room

3024
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:27,920
on her when she was nine years of age

3025
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:30,719
before she got abducted by the grays

3026
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:31,520
and

3027
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:35,599
these uh three or four of these beings

3028
01:52:40,149 --> 01:52:37,920
what she called astral demons

3029
01:52:42,790 --> 01:52:40,159
appeared in the room she was in just out

3030
01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:42,800
of nowhere they just materialized

3031
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:45,840
and they started to attack her

3032
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:47,920
and there was

3033
01:52:52,070 --> 01:52:50,480
uh like an invisible barrier in the room

3034
01:52:54,950 --> 01:52:52,080
she was in

3035
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:54,960
that that she couldn't see the barrier

3036
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:56,880
but when they went to attack her they

3037
01:53:00,070 --> 01:52:58,480
ran up against this barrier and they

3038
01:53:01,589 --> 01:53:00,080
couldn't get through the barrier to

3039
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:01,599
attack her

3040
01:53:06,629 --> 01:53:03,679
and then they disappeared

3041
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:06,639
and what she figured out was

3042
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:08,719
just logically speaking

3043
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:11,280
was that the grays must have created the

3044
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:12,719
barrier

3045
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:14,560
that kept the astral demons from

3046
01:53:18,149 --> 01:53:16,320
attacking her

3047
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:18,159
because she was

3048
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:20,880
uh going to be their breeder

3049
01:53:23,669 --> 01:53:21,760
and

3050
01:53:25,109 --> 01:53:23,679
she figured out that she had 55

3051
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:25,119
offspring

3052
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:27,599
that the greys had

3053
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:29,599
they would take it they would take

3054
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:31,440
an egg out of her

3055
01:53:34,950 --> 01:53:33,760
and they would walk over to a petri dish

3056
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:34,960
sort of thing

3057
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:35,920
and

3058
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:44,000
back in her body

3059
01:53:47,830 --> 01:53:45,760
and then fly around

3060
01:53:49,910 --> 01:53:47,840
until they figured that it had attached

3061
01:53:52,149 --> 01:53:49,920
to her fallopian wall

3062
01:53:54,870 --> 01:53:52,159
and would survive and then they'd let

3063
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:54,880
put her back in her bed and

3064
01:53:58,310 --> 01:53:56,560
they would let the

3065
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:58,320
um

3066
01:54:02,470 --> 01:54:00,880
they would let the offspring

3067
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:02,480
uh grow

3068
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:05,440
in her womb for 10 weeks that's what we

3069
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:08,080
figured out it was 10 weeks it's not uh

3070
01:54:11,669 --> 01:54:10,320
she was thinking it was like six weeks

3071
01:54:16,629 --> 01:54:11,679
or

3072
01:54:19,109 --> 01:54:16,639
that and we figured out at some point

3073
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:19,119
i had four sessions with her

3074
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:21,360
and we figured out that she had

3075
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:24,080
that they would come back in 10 weeks to

3076
01:54:27,189 --> 01:54:25,360
get the

3077
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:27,199
to extract the

3078
01:54:29,589 --> 01:54:28,400
fetus

3079
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:29,599
and so

3080
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:31,440
but

3081
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:33,520
the astral demons that

3082
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,159
that tried to attack her that the greys

3083
01:54:40,070 --> 01:54:38,320
kept from attacking her

3084
01:54:42,470 --> 01:54:40,080
those were just like the astral bug that

3085
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:42,480
bit me and just like the

3086
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:45,520
the skin walker that that's in the

3087
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:47,119
form of a wolf that all of a sudden

3088
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:49,199
disappears in the middle of nowhere out

3089
01:54:53,669 --> 01:54:52,000
in the middle of a field it's its tracks

3090
01:54:55,750 --> 01:54:53,679
just suddenly stop when somebody's

3091
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:55,760
tracking it and it's nowhere it's just

3092
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:57,679
materialized it's gone back into the

3093
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:59,440
astral plane

3094
01:55:03,830 --> 01:55:01,119
and the astral bug that bit me and

3095
01:55:05,430 --> 01:55:03,840
astral demons that tried to attack her

3096
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:05,440
and the grays that stopped the astral

3097
01:55:09,589 --> 01:55:07,280
beings that tried to attack her so those

3098
01:55:12,790 --> 01:55:09,599
are all astral beings coming to the

3099
01:55:15,109 --> 01:55:12,800
earth and sometimes the astral beings

3100
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:15,119
don't have the same you know if they run

3101
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:16,800
up against the grays

3102
01:55:20,310 --> 01:55:18,639
maybe the greys have a little more power

3103
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:20,320
than the astral beings

3104
01:55:23,430 --> 01:55:21,199
so

3105
01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:23,440
you know it there's all this power play

3106
01:55:27,910 --> 01:55:25,679
between different sets of beings that

3107
01:55:29,270 --> 01:55:27,920
all want you for different reasons

3108
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:29,280
and uh

3109
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:32,560
so anyway that's uh that's

3110
01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:34,880
the only way i can tie

3111
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:36,960
the astral beings

3112
01:55:42,310 --> 01:55:39,920
with the with the aliens i can't tie the

3113
01:55:44,070 --> 01:55:42,320
demons with the aliens except

3114
01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:44,080
in the sense that

3115
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:46,320
um

3116
01:55:49,589 --> 01:55:48,239
so

3117
01:55:54,310 --> 01:55:49,599
um

3118
01:55:56,950 --> 01:55:54,320
is that the aliens

3119
01:55:59,109 --> 01:55:56,960
are not going to ever save our rear end

3120
01:56:00,870 --> 01:55:59,119
we're either going to break out of our

3121
01:56:04,149 --> 01:56:00,880
shell and

3122
01:56:06,229 --> 01:56:04,159
become a full-fledged class zero

3123
01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:06,239
or class one depending on who you listen

3124
01:56:09,189 --> 01:56:08,080
to society

3125
01:56:10,629 --> 01:56:09,199
where

3126
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:10,639
we have space

3127
01:56:14,149 --> 01:56:11,760
you know

3128
01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:14,159
very good space travel not not rockets

3129
01:56:18,149 --> 01:56:16,400
but you know like the aliens have we

3130
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:18,159
either going to develop our own way off

3131
01:56:22,870 --> 01:56:21,520
this planet stop our wars stop our crime

3132
01:56:24,070 --> 01:56:22,880
stop our

3133
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:24,080
um

3134
01:56:28,149 --> 01:56:25,280
poverty

3135
01:56:30,310 --> 01:56:28,159
stop our starvation stop our wars we're

3136
01:56:31,350 --> 01:56:30,320
either going to stop all the stuff that

3137
01:56:34,870 --> 01:56:31,360
the

3138
01:56:36,310 --> 01:56:34,880
attaching spirits are causing

3139
01:56:38,790 --> 01:56:36,320
and then

3140
01:56:40,629 --> 01:56:38,800
if we can stop these things

3141
01:56:42,870 --> 01:56:40,639
then we'll become this class zero

3142
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:42,880
society and then

3143
01:56:48,550 --> 01:56:45,599
we will be welcomed into the larger race

3144
01:56:50,950 --> 01:56:48,560
of beings that's around that that are in

3145
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:50,960
this part of the galaxy

3146
01:56:54,390 --> 01:56:52,880
but if we don't stop

3147
01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:54,400
all that

3148
01:56:59,350 --> 01:56:56,400
problems that that the

3149
01:57:01,270 --> 01:56:59,360
attaching spirits are causing

3150
01:57:02,709 --> 01:57:01,280
then we'll die off again

3151
01:57:05,030 --> 01:57:02,719
and the aliens are not going to come

3152
01:57:07,589 --> 01:57:05,040
save us so that's the how it's all tied

3153
01:57:09,270 --> 01:57:07,599
in together in the sense that

3154
01:57:10,629 --> 01:57:09,280
if we don't go down the road that i'm

3155
01:57:13,589 --> 01:57:10,639
suggesting

3156
01:57:15,189 --> 01:57:13,599
and and prove that attaching spirits a

3157
01:57:17,910 --> 01:57:15,199
are real

3158
01:57:19,430 --> 01:57:17,920
scientifically prove they're a real be

3159
01:57:20,390 --> 01:57:19,440
you know

3160
01:57:23,270 --> 01:57:20,400
uh

3161
01:57:27,910 --> 01:57:23,280
invent technology that can see them see

3162
01:57:29,510 --> 01:57:27,920
forgot a common easy way to remove them

3163
01:57:31,910 --> 01:57:29,520
you know there's a rumor that after you

3164
01:57:33,750 --> 01:57:31,920
pass on to the other side they take you

3165
01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:33,760
to a place where they're washed off of

3166
01:57:39,030 --> 01:57:34,560
you

3167
01:57:42,310 --> 01:57:39,040
people are abducted

3168
01:57:44,870 --> 01:57:42,320
and they're taken to a particular

3169
01:57:47,830 --> 01:57:44,880
planet or spaceship

3170
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:47,840
and or like a spaceship and they can't

3171
01:57:53,030 --> 01:57:50,159
go into the spaceship because they first

3172
01:57:56,229 --> 01:57:53,040
have to go through a um some type of

3173
01:57:58,709 --> 01:57:56,239
cleansing device that take removes your

3174
01:58:00,870 --> 01:57:58,719
what they call immoral implants

3175
01:58:01,589 --> 01:58:00,880
that's the attaching spirit

3176
01:58:03,589 --> 01:58:01,599
so

3177
01:58:05,350 --> 01:58:03,599
the aliens don't want the

3178
01:58:06,550 --> 01:58:05,360
dark spirits around them either so

3179
01:58:08,950 --> 01:58:06,560
they'll

3180
01:58:11,189 --> 01:58:08,960
take them off of you just so they can be

3181
01:58:12,229 --> 01:58:11,199
around you for a little while and

3182
01:58:13,589 --> 01:58:12,239
you know i

3183
01:58:15,510 --> 01:58:13,599
um

3184
01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:15,520
the guy who

3185
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:18,320
uh saw my attaching spirit that sits on

3186
01:58:24,870 --> 01:58:21,360
my back that i was in the jail cell with

3187
01:58:28,870 --> 01:58:24,880
he was an exorcist in a past life

3188
01:58:32,390 --> 01:58:30,550
had would take people and stake them

3189
01:58:34,709 --> 01:58:32,400
down and he would

3190
01:58:37,750 --> 01:58:34,719
take the salt and make a circle around

3191
01:58:39,589 --> 01:58:37,760
them and he would sanctify the space in

3192
01:58:41,189 --> 01:58:39,599
the middle of the circle

3193
01:58:42,870 --> 01:58:41,199
in the middle of the salt

3194
01:58:43,910 --> 01:58:42,880
where the person is staked down who's

3195
01:58:46,229 --> 01:58:43,920
possessed

3196
01:58:47,830 --> 01:58:46,239
and he would sanctify that ground and

3197
01:58:50,950 --> 01:58:47,840
then he would

3198
01:58:52,390 --> 01:58:50,960
force the demon out of the person into a

3199
01:58:54,070 --> 01:58:52,400
crystal ball

3200
01:58:56,310 --> 01:58:54,080
and he would

3201
01:58:58,229 --> 01:58:56,320
and there was one time where he did that

3202
01:59:01,030 --> 01:58:58,239
and when the demon came out of the

3203
01:59:02,709 --> 01:59:01,040
person it literally blew out

3204
01:59:04,470 --> 01:59:02,719
the stomach

3205
01:59:06,149 --> 01:59:04,480
out of this person it exploded their

3206
01:59:09,030 --> 01:59:06,159
stomach and all their entrails went on

3207
01:59:11,189 --> 01:59:09,040
the ground they had just sanctified

3208
01:59:13,750 --> 01:59:11,199
and so when the demon

3209
01:59:16,070 --> 01:59:13,760
went into the crystal ball

3210
01:59:18,310 --> 01:59:16,080
that he forced the demon into it still

3211
01:59:19,830 --> 01:59:18,320
had some power because the the ground

3212
01:59:23,350 --> 01:59:19,840
inside the circle

3213
01:59:25,350 --> 01:59:23,360
had been de-sanctified by the entrails

3214
01:59:28,310 --> 01:59:25,360
falling on the ground after the demon

3215
01:59:30,550 --> 01:59:28,320
exploded out this person's stomach

3216
01:59:31,270 --> 01:59:30,560
and was forced into the crystal ball so

3217
01:59:35,750 --> 01:59:31,280
the

3218
01:59:36,870 --> 01:59:35,760
exploded this crystal ball and went into

3219
01:59:39,990 --> 01:59:36,880
this

3220
01:59:41,270 --> 01:59:40,000
uh his name was jason like my uh

3221
01:59:42,870 --> 01:59:41,280
cellmate

3222
01:59:45,990 --> 01:59:42,880
it went into him

3223
01:59:47,750 --> 01:59:46,000
and he uh that was like three or four

3224
01:59:48,629 --> 01:59:47,760
lifetimes ago

3225
01:59:49,589 --> 01:59:48,639
and

3226
01:59:52,390 --> 01:59:49,599
when he

3227
01:59:55,270 --> 01:59:52,400
uh ends uh an incarnation

3228
01:59:58,790 --> 01:59:55,280
and then he goes into the light well the

3229
02:00:01,189 --> 01:59:58,800
demon can't go into the light so it just

3230
02:00:03,109 --> 02:00:01,199
drops off in the astral plane

3231
02:00:05,109 --> 02:00:03,119
and then you know jason goes into the

3232
02:00:07,350 --> 02:00:05,119
light as what it you know whatever

3233
02:00:08,709 --> 02:00:07,360
personality was in that incarnation

3234
02:00:09,910 --> 02:00:08,719
and he's in the light then he takes

3235
02:00:12,470 --> 02:00:09,920
another

3236
02:00:13,750 --> 02:00:12,480
incarnation he comes back to earth so he

3237
02:00:16,229 --> 02:00:13,760
travels through all these different

3238
02:00:17,830 --> 02:00:16,239
planes of existence back to earth he has

3239
02:00:19,189 --> 02:00:17,840
to go through the astral plane well the

3240
02:00:21,910 --> 02:00:19,199
demon's still waiting there in the

3241
02:00:24,550 --> 02:00:21,920
astral plane it attaches back to him

3242
02:00:26,229 --> 02:00:24,560
before he gets into his next body so

3243
02:00:27,990 --> 02:00:26,239
it's with him for like three or four

3244
02:00:29,830 --> 02:00:28,000
incarnations it keeps

3245
02:00:31,910 --> 02:00:29,840
uh hanging out in the astral plane and

3246
02:00:34,149 --> 02:00:31,920
attaching to him every time he comes

3247
02:00:36,470 --> 02:00:34,159
back to get another body so he's had

3248
02:00:39,109 --> 02:00:36,480
this one attaching spirit for like three

3249
02:00:41,189 --> 02:00:39,119
or four lifetimes and that's another

3250
02:00:43,750 --> 02:00:41,199
way you know that

3251
02:00:46,390 --> 02:00:43,760
anyway i'm kind of expanding out

3252
02:00:48,950 --> 02:00:46,400
my knowledge about these things from

3253
02:00:50,870 --> 02:00:48,960
different areas that i've

3254
02:00:53,510 --> 02:00:50,880
been part of but you can't

3255
02:00:56,310 --> 02:00:53,520
the way it's all tied together is

3256
02:00:58,709 --> 02:00:56,320
if mankind does not

3257
02:01:00,629 --> 02:00:58,719
come to the understanding that that most

3258
02:01:02,390 --> 02:01:00,639
people have attaching spirits and

3259
02:01:04,229 --> 02:01:02,400
they're causing all these

3260
02:01:06,629 --> 02:01:04,239
um

3261
02:01:09,510 --> 02:01:06,639
uh i'm gonna get into this proof stuff

3262
02:01:11,109 --> 02:01:09,520
for a minute because

3263
02:01:12,629 --> 02:01:11,119
i need to in order to

3264
02:01:14,390 --> 02:01:12,639
round the circle

3265
02:01:15,990 --> 02:01:14,400
of understanding

3266
02:01:17,189 --> 02:01:16,000
so

3267
02:01:19,750 --> 02:01:17,199
um

3268
02:01:22,550 --> 02:01:19,760
back when art bill had his show on

3269
02:01:23,990 --> 02:01:22,560
there was a girl who

3270
02:01:26,229 --> 02:01:24,000
called in

3271
02:01:28,790 --> 02:01:26,239
and i was listening to the show live one

3272
02:01:30,709 --> 02:01:28,800
night this girl calls in

3273
02:01:33,189 --> 02:01:30,719
and she says my name is such and such do

3274
02:01:34,390 --> 02:01:33,199
you remember me he goes no

3275
02:01:37,589 --> 02:01:34,400
who are you

3276
02:01:40,149 --> 02:01:37,599
and she goes uh i'm the psychic who told

3277
02:01:41,109 --> 02:01:40,159
you where your watch what is

3278
02:01:45,430 --> 02:01:41,119
was

3279
02:01:46,950 --> 02:01:45,440
he had climbed up on his roof to fix his

3280
02:01:49,510 --> 02:01:46,960
antenna

3281
02:01:52,229 --> 02:01:49,520
and he had gotten all sweaty and he came

3282
02:01:54,229 --> 02:01:52,239
down off the roof and he came into his

3283
02:01:55,430 --> 02:01:54,239
uh house

3284
02:01:57,750 --> 02:01:55,440
and

3285
02:01:59,669 --> 02:01:57,760
he had taken off his watch stuck it in a

3286
02:02:00,790 --> 02:01:59,679
drawer took a shower and then he

3287
02:02:03,910 --> 02:02:00,800
couldn't remember where he stuck his

3288
02:02:05,589 --> 02:02:03,920
watch so on the air he asked his p asked

3289
02:02:06,629 --> 02:02:05,599
his um

3290
02:02:07,910 --> 02:02:06,639
callers

3291
02:02:09,430 --> 02:02:07,920
to

3292
02:02:10,950 --> 02:02:09,440
you know he said i know so many people

3293
02:02:12,470 --> 02:02:10,960
out there psychic

3294
02:02:14,550 --> 02:02:12,480
when your psychics

3295
02:02:16,870 --> 02:02:14,560
call in and tell me where my watch is so

3296
02:02:18,470 --> 02:02:16,880
this girl calls and tells him

3297
02:02:20,149 --> 02:02:18,480
where his watch is

3298
02:02:23,030 --> 02:02:20,159
and uh

3299
02:02:25,109 --> 02:02:23,040
and she did that on the show before i

3300
02:02:27,430 --> 02:02:25,119
had heard her and then when i heard her

3301
02:02:28,229 --> 02:02:27,440
she was calling back a second time

3302
02:02:30,390 --> 02:02:28,239
and

3303
02:02:32,550 --> 02:02:30,400
explains to him that she had called the

3304
02:02:33,430 --> 02:02:32,560
previous time told him where his watch

3305
02:02:35,109 --> 02:02:33,440
was

3306
02:02:37,669 --> 02:02:35,119
and he had opened the door found his

3307
02:02:40,709 --> 02:02:37,679
watch and she was accurate as a psychic

3308
02:02:45,109 --> 02:02:42,709
after she tells him this on the second

3309
02:02:46,950 --> 02:02:45,119
call the one i heard

3310
02:02:49,669 --> 02:02:46,960
she goes you know these these school

3311
02:02:52,310 --> 02:02:49,679
shootings and he goes yeah and he said

3312
02:02:53,350 --> 02:02:52,320
well my my psychic

3313
02:02:55,350 --> 02:02:53,360
whatever

3314
02:02:56,390 --> 02:02:55,360
you know my my the guys that tell me

3315
02:02:58,470 --> 02:02:56,400
things

3316
02:03:00,550 --> 02:02:58,480
they're telling me that these school

3317
02:03:02,550 --> 02:03:00,560
shootings are causing by the influence

3318
02:03:05,350 --> 02:03:02,560
of dark forces

3319
02:03:07,430 --> 02:03:05,360
so basically she's saying

3320
02:03:09,270 --> 02:03:07,440
that the school shootings are caused by

3321
02:03:11,589 --> 02:03:09,280
attaching spirits

3322
02:03:12,550 --> 02:03:11,599
and that's the school shootings are

3323
02:03:16,950 --> 02:03:12,560
terror

3324
02:03:19,990 --> 02:03:16,960
caused by attaching spirits that's an

3325
02:03:22,470 --> 02:03:20,000
example the school shootings are a form

3326
02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:22,480
of terror just like any other type of

3327
02:03:26,790 --> 02:03:24,080
terrorist act

3328
02:03:28,390 --> 02:03:26,800
and so that's your terrorism caused by

3329
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:28,400
attaching spirits

3330
02:03:30,390 --> 02:03:29,440
and

3331
02:03:31,189 --> 02:03:30,400
um

3332
02:03:32,470 --> 02:03:31,199
if

3333
02:03:34,310 --> 02:03:32,480
i i'm going to

3334
02:03:36,470 --> 02:03:34,320
tell you one more thing

3335
02:03:38,470 --> 02:03:36,480
real quick before we

3336
02:03:40,390 --> 02:03:38,480
finish the proof unless i come up with

3337
02:03:41,750 --> 02:03:40,400
something else i'd like to read you a

3338
02:03:44,149 --> 02:03:41,760
short quote

3339
02:03:47,189 --> 02:03:44,159
from do you did you ever see the tv

3340
02:03:48,950 --> 02:03:47,199
series the dead files with amy allen

3341
02:03:50,790 --> 02:03:48,960
no i didn't

3342
02:03:52,149 --> 02:03:50,800
okay so there's a tv series you can

3343
02:03:53,750 --> 02:03:52,159
still watch it

3344
02:03:56,629 --> 02:03:53,760
on

3345
02:03:58,629 --> 02:03:56,639
various means through youtube and

3346
02:04:00,470 --> 02:03:58,639
other methods you can you can still see

3347
02:04:01,669 --> 02:04:00,480
it if you have if you want to

3348
02:04:05,830 --> 02:04:01,679
uh

3349
02:04:07,910 --> 02:04:05,840
one of the most accurate psychics

3350
02:04:08,709 --> 02:04:07,920
whoever has ever lived

3351
02:04:11,189 --> 02:04:08,719
and

3352
02:04:13,589 --> 02:04:11,199
she has a partner who's a retired

3353
02:04:14,629 --> 02:04:13,599
new york police detective

3354
02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:14,639
uh

3355
02:04:18,390 --> 02:04:16,800
mr duchovny

3356
02:04:20,470 --> 02:04:18,400
and

3357
02:04:21,830 --> 02:04:20,480
they're having this conversation

3358
02:04:23,430 --> 02:04:21,840
about

3359
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:23,440
um

3360
02:04:25,669 --> 02:04:24,560
about

3361
02:04:27,589 --> 02:04:25,679
war

3362
02:04:29,109 --> 02:04:27,599
and they're in i can't remember if

3363
02:04:31,910 --> 02:04:29,119
they're in texas or

3364
02:04:33,030 --> 02:04:31,920
somewhere else in the southwest

3365
02:04:34,310 --> 02:04:33,040
and

3366
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:34,320
this

3367
02:04:38,709 --> 02:04:36,560
paragraph i'd like to read

3368
02:04:39,990 --> 02:04:38,719
is a conversation between the psychic

3369
02:04:41,030 --> 02:04:40,000
and her

3370
02:04:46,470 --> 02:04:41,040
police

3371
02:04:49,830 --> 02:04:46,480
is it okay if i read it sure

3372
02:04:52,870 --> 02:04:49,840
okay so this is the dead files in 2011

3373
02:04:54,950 --> 02:04:52,880
it's season six episode six

3374
02:04:57,669 --> 02:04:54,960
uh and this the episode is called the

3375
02:04:58,709 --> 02:04:57,679
dark one abilene so i guess it's abilene

3376
02:05:01,910 --> 02:04:58,719
texas

3377
02:05:03,669 --> 02:05:01,920
so here it goes but uh and i quote but

3378
02:05:08,629 --> 02:05:03,679
the gemanos

3379
02:05:10,790 --> 02:05:08,639
this land when the spanish first show up

3380
02:05:14,470 --> 02:05:10,800
so they were here until probably about

3381
02:05:16,950 --> 02:05:14,480
the early 1700s early 1700s plains

3382
02:05:21,830 --> 02:05:16,960
plains indians then come in and displace

3383
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:21,840
the large largely pedestrian gemanos wow

3384
02:05:26,470 --> 02:05:23,679
i've never heard of indians displacing

3385
02:05:28,790 --> 02:05:26,480
each other this was a blood feud so how

3386
02:05:31,270 --> 02:05:28,800
bloody of a battle are we talking about

3387
02:05:33,669 --> 02:05:31,280
if you're if you're a fallen warrior you

3388
02:05:36,069 --> 02:05:33,679
can expect to have your corpse mutilated

3389
02:05:38,550 --> 02:05:36,079
they cut off hands cut off fingers

3390
02:05:40,709 --> 02:05:38,560
really very brutal and then

3391
02:05:43,750 --> 02:05:40,719
and then the apaches are driven out by

3392
02:05:45,030 --> 02:05:43,760
the comanches goes for 100 years so

3393
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:45,040
we're talking

3394
02:05:48,870 --> 02:05:47,040
from the mid 1700s

3395
02:05:51,030 --> 02:05:48,880
yeah all the way into the early 19th

3396
02:05:53,830 --> 02:05:51,040
century i mean they fought the apaches

3397
02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:53,840
hammer and tongs i mean they never gave

3398
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:56,560
up fighting the apaches until the very

3399
02:06:00,470 --> 02:05:58,320
very end jeez

3400
02:06:02,790 --> 02:06:00,480
they scout people they'd eat liver

3401
02:06:04,550 --> 02:06:02,800
sometimes if they could make you scream

3402
02:06:07,350 --> 02:06:04,560
or beg for mercy that's the ultimate

3403
02:06:09,910 --> 02:06:07,360
power these guys sound like not somebody

3404
02:06:11,510 --> 02:06:09,920
you want to mess with right

3405
02:06:12,709 --> 02:06:11,520
how do the white settlers wind up

3406
02:06:14,709 --> 02:06:12,719
dealing with it

3407
02:06:17,270 --> 02:06:14,719
uh well the sellers were on the losing

3408
02:06:20,069 --> 02:06:17,280
end for several decades i mean really

3409
02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:20,079
the comanches ruled the roost out here

3410
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:23,840
from about 1770 to about 1870. there's a

3411
02:06:27,910 --> 02:06:25,760
lot of anonymous dying in this part of

3412
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:27,920
the world there's a lot of panic the

3413
02:06:32,950 --> 02:06:30,560
soul dude is talking he's like saying

3414
02:06:35,270 --> 02:06:32,960
there's all these wars that happen and

3415
02:06:37,750 --> 02:06:35,280
he's talking about the native americans

3416
02:06:39,510 --> 02:06:37,760
well like with the native americans i

3417
02:06:41,750 --> 02:06:39,520
just see them like fighting and then i

3418
02:06:44,629 --> 02:06:41,760
just see them dead i see their blood on

3419
02:06:46,390 --> 02:06:44,639
the ground there's other people later so

3420
02:06:48,470 --> 02:06:46,400
i keep seeing like different groups of

3421
02:06:50,310 --> 02:06:48,480
people over time and they're just dead

3422
02:06:52,229 --> 02:06:50,320
on the ground bleeding so what i'm

3423
02:06:53,030 --> 02:06:52,239
thinking is that this thing is this

3424
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:53,040
thing

3425
02:06:58,470 --> 02:06:56,000
is causing it it's like instigating it

3426
02:07:01,830 --> 02:06:58,480
and fueling it yes yes

3427
02:07:03,990 --> 02:07:01,840
this is amy allen and steve distriavi of

3428
02:07:05,589 --> 02:07:04,000
the american tv series

3429
02:07:07,910 --> 02:07:05,599
dead files talking about how the

3430
02:07:10,629 --> 02:07:07,920
intra-tribal warfare of the american

3431
02:07:13,430 --> 02:07:10,639
indian was caused by disincarnate forces

3432
02:07:14,310 --> 02:07:13,440
so that's your attaching spirits causing

3433
02:07:16,310 --> 02:07:14,320
war

3434
02:07:19,189 --> 02:07:16,320
so that's probably

3435
02:07:21,589 --> 02:07:19,199
uh i have a feeling that uh

3436
02:07:23,109 --> 02:07:21,599
mr putin has some attaching spirits and

3437
02:07:25,030 --> 02:07:23,119
that's why he's

3438
02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:25,040
killing all the having his

3439
02:07:29,750 --> 02:07:27,440
people kill all the um

3440
02:07:32,629 --> 02:07:29,760
ukrainians because

3441
02:07:35,669 --> 02:07:32,639
uh he's got some influences influencing

3442
02:07:37,990 --> 02:07:35,679
him to do so anyway that's war

3443
02:07:39,750 --> 02:07:38,000
i've given you terrorism caused by

3444
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:39,760
attaching spirits i've given you war

3445
02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:41,840
caused by attaching spirits

3446
02:07:44,709 --> 02:07:43,840
now i'm going to do one more

3447
02:07:48,149 --> 02:07:44,719
because

3448
02:07:51,990 --> 02:07:49,830
back to art bell

3449
02:07:54,390 --> 02:07:52,000
okay so

3450
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:54,400
one night there's a former bank robber

3451
02:07:58,149 --> 02:07:56,400
who calls into art bill and i heard this

3452
02:08:01,030 --> 02:07:58,159
live also

3453
02:08:03,990 --> 02:08:01,040
um this bank robber had succeeded for

3454
02:08:05,270 --> 02:08:04,000
robbing banks for many years

3455
02:08:06,790 --> 02:08:05,280
and then they caught him one day and

3456
02:08:08,629 --> 02:08:06,800
ended up in prison

3457
02:08:10,870 --> 02:08:08,639
and in his cell

3458
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:10,880
is he's telling the story live on the

3459
02:08:16,390 --> 02:08:13,280
air with art bell right he said in his

3460
02:08:17,669 --> 02:08:16,400
cell his cell mate was writhing around

3461
02:08:20,069 --> 02:08:17,679
on the floor

3462
02:08:21,510 --> 02:08:20,079
and his cell mates started begging

3463
02:08:23,910 --> 02:08:21,520
this former bank

3464
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:23,920
robber to give him an exorcism and they

3465
02:08:27,189 --> 02:08:25,840
argue over the issue then the former

3466
02:08:28,069 --> 02:08:27,199
bank robber

3467
02:08:30,390 --> 02:08:28,079
uh

3468
02:08:32,149 --> 02:08:30,400
finally gives in and goes okay i'll do

3469
02:08:34,950 --> 02:08:32,159
something you know he just makes

3470
02:08:37,830 --> 02:08:34,960
something up and it works he said that

3471
02:08:39,990 --> 02:08:37,840
the cell turned very dark and strange

3472
02:08:42,790 --> 02:08:40,000
after the spirits came out of his cell

3473
02:08:45,270 --> 02:08:42,800
mate's body and after the after he tells

3474
02:08:47,030 --> 02:08:45,280
the story art asks him how many

3475
02:08:49,430 --> 02:08:47,040
prisoners in prison have attaching

3476
02:08:51,030 --> 02:08:49,440
spirits what do you think and his answer

3477
02:08:52,550 --> 02:08:51,040
came back was

3478
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:52,560
100

3479
02:08:55,669 --> 02:08:54,480
so that's your crime

3480
02:08:57,990 --> 02:08:55,679
okay

3481
02:08:59,750 --> 02:08:58,000
and um

3482
02:09:01,910 --> 02:08:59,760
and

3483
02:09:05,589 --> 02:09:01,920
oh i'm gonna do speeding here's one

3484
02:09:07,669 --> 02:09:05,599
other one last one i'm gonna do okay so

3485
02:09:08,870 --> 02:09:07,679
i was in austin texas

3486
02:09:12,390 --> 02:09:08,880
and i

3487
02:09:13,430 --> 02:09:12,400
drove to a ghost hunters meetup group

3488
02:09:14,950 --> 02:09:13,440
okay

3489
02:09:16,390 --> 02:09:14,960
and

3490
02:09:18,709 --> 02:09:16,400
i got there late because i had a hard

3491
02:09:20,550 --> 02:09:18,719
time finding the place and i walk in and

3492
02:09:22,229 --> 02:09:20,560
this lady is

3493
02:09:24,629 --> 02:09:22,239
standing in front of a podium it's a

3494
02:09:25,589 --> 02:09:24,639
young lady she's in she's like 23 or

3495
02:09:26,550 --> 02:09:25,599
something

3496
02:09:29,189 --> 02:09:26,560
and

3497
02:09:30,950 --> 02:09:29,199
she's talking about demons

3498
02:09:33,510 --> 02:09:30,960
and it's the the conversation is

3499
02:09:34,870 --> 02:09:33,520
supposed to be about ghosts right

3500
02:09:36,709 --> 02:09:34,880
and

3501
02:09:38,550 --> 02:09:36,719
i walk in she's already started a

3502
02:09:40,550 --> 02:09:38,560
conversation

3503
02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:40,560
or a speech i should say

3504
02:09:45,109 --> 02:09:42,960
and i walk past her

3505
02:09:46,950 --> 02:09:45,119
and the only seat available is on the

3506
02:09:49,430 --> 02:09:46,960
opposite side of the room it's a big

3507
02:09:50,470 --> 02:09:49,440
circle and i walk over and i sit down in

3508
02:09:51,990 --> 02:09:50,480
this one

3509
02:09:53,750 --> 02:09:52,000
empty chair

3510
02:09:54,790 --> 02:09:53,760
and i listen to her she's talking about

3511
02:09:56,229 --> 02:09:54,800
demons

3512
02:09:58,470 --> 02:09:56,239
and she says

3513
02:10:00,629 --> 02:09:58,480
she starts talking about this lady who's

3514
02:10:02,870 --> 02:10:00,639
actually sitting to her left

3515
02:10:03,669 --> 02:10:02,880
or it's to her right the way i'm looking

3516
02:10:05,990 --> 02:10:03,679
but

3517
02:10:08,229 --> 02:10:06,000
as she's looking it's to her left this

3518
02:10:09,990 --> 02:10:08,239
lady is sitting down and her daughter

3519
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:10,000
the lady's daughter is sitting next to

3520
02:10:14,390 --> 02:10:12,000
her and this lady is sitting there as a

3521
02:10:15,750 --> 02:10:14,400
witch and her daughter is a witch

3522
02:10:17,750 --> 02:10:15,760
and together

3523
02:10:18,790 --> 02:10:17,760
they conjure a demon

3524
02:10:20,390 --> 02:10:18,800
and the

3525
02:10:23,030 --> 02:10:20,400
the ghost hunter

3526
02:10:25,510 --> 02:10:23,040
is talking about this lady

3527
02:10:27,430 --> 02:10:25,520
and saying talking about the demon that

3528
02:10:30,870 --> 02:10:27,440
she had conjured as the witch

3529
02:10:31,750 --> 02:10:30,880
and the demons in her house or apartment

3530
02:10:35,669 --> 02:10:31,760
and

3531
02:10:37,830 --> 02:10:35,679
wanting to get this

3532
02:10:39,109 --> 02:10:37,840
demon out of their dwelling

3533
02:10:40,310 --> 02:10:39,119
they conjured it but they know how to

3534
02:10:42,390 --> 02:10:40,320
get rid of it

3535
02:10:44,149 --> 02:10:42,400
so the the ghost hunter

3536
02:10:46,149 --> 02:10:44,159
as she's telling the story she says she

3537
02:10:48,069 --> 02:10:46,159
goes over to their

3538
02:10:49,589 --> 02:10:48,079
she doesn't believe in demons right

3539
02:10:52,950 --> 02:10:49,599
she's a skeptic

3540
02:10:55,430 --> 02:10:52,960
and she goes over to the dwelling just

3541
02:10:57,109 --> 02:10:55,440
to see if there's anything in there that

3542
02:10:59,189 --> 02:10:57,119
you know is there really a demon or not

3543
02:11:01,669 --> 02:10:59,199
you know what's what's there she doesn't

3544
02:11:04,149 --> 02:11:01,679
expect to see to experience the steaming

3545
02:11:05,830 --> 02:11:04,159
but she walks into their dwelling and

3546
02:11:07,189 --> 02:11:05,840
the minute she walks in this thing

3547
02:11:08,390 --> 02:11:07,199
attacks her

3548
02:11:13,270 --> 02:11:08,400
and

3549
02:11:14,229 --> 02:11:13,280
i don't remember all of what it does to

3550
02:11:15,270 --> 02:11:14,239
her

3551
02:11:16,709 --> 02:11:15,280
but

3552
02:11:18,870 --> 02:11:16,719
um

3553
02:11:19,830 --> 02:11:18,880
you know after she finishes

3554
02:11:21,589 --> 02:11:19,840
uh

3555
02:11:23,750 --> 02:11:21,599
telling the story

3556
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:23,760
she stops talking and all the crowd

3557
02:11:28,550 --> 02:11:26,159
starts asking her questions and when

3558
02:11:30,870 --> 02:11:28,560
everybody in the crowd stops asking her

3559
02:11:33,830 --> 02:11:30,880
a question the room goes silent and i

3560
02:11:36,310 --> 02:11:33,840
start asking her questions and so

3561
02:11:38,629 --> 02:11:36,320
i say to her the only question i ask her

3562
02:11:40,709 --> 02:11:38,639
that that i remember that i remember

3563
02:11:44,470 --> 02:11:40,719
that as if any note

3564
02:11:46,310 --> 02:11:44,480
that uh is relevant as i ask or i say of

3565
02:11:47,990 --> 02:11:46,320
all the symptoms

3566
02:11:49,830 --> 02:11:48,000
that the demon

3567
02:11:51,910 --> 02:11:49,840
inflicted upon you

3568
02:11:54,149 --> 02:11:51,920
which one lasted the longest which

3569
02:11:57,589 --> 02:11:54,159
symptom lasted the longest

3570
02:11:59,270 --> 02:11:57,599
and you'll never guess the word she said

3571
02:12:02,390 --> 02:11:59,280
go ahead guess what do you think she's

3572
02:12:05,589 --> 02:12:02,400
the one word she said what was the word

3573
02:12:08,229 --> 02:12:07,350
headache

3574
02:12:11,189 --> 02:12:08,239
nope

3575
02:12:16,870 --> 02:12:13,910
oh my god speeding car speed

3576
02:12:19,510 --> 02:12:16,880
using a car okay i said i said to her

3577
02:12:21,669 --> 02:12:19,520
i was i was a skeptic and i said to her

3578
02:12:23,830 --> 02:12:21,679
speeding everybody speeds

3579
02:12:25,189 --> 02:12:23,840
how can you tie the steamer into

3580
02:12:26,149 --> 02:12:25,199
speeding because i you know i didn't

3581
02:12:28,870 --> 02:12:26,159
believe her

3582
02:12:32,310 --> 02:12:28,880
and she goes well i don't speed

3583
02:12:33,270 --> 02:12:32,320
and i'm like oh okay she says i've never

3584
02:12:35,830 --> 02:12:33,280
sped

3585
02:12:36,950 --> 02:12:35,840
i didn't speed before i walked into this

3586
02:12:39,270 --> 02:12:36,960
place

3587
02:12:41,589 --> 02:12:39,280
and for two weeks after i left that

3588
02:12:43,589 --> 02:12:41,599
dwelling i sped around

3589
02:12:45,589 --> 02:12:43,599
and then it and then it wore the symptom

3590
02:12:48,229 --> 02:12:45,599
wore off and i went back to normal and i

3591
02:12:50,470 --> 02:12:48,239
stopped speeding i never sped before i

3592
02:12:51,910 --> 02:12:50,480
sped around for two two or three weeks

3593
02:12:53,350 --> 02:12:51,920
and then i stopped speeding i went back

3594
02:12:54,470 --> 02:12:53,360
to normal

3595
02:12:57,109 --> 02:12:54,480
so

3596
02:12:59,189 --> 02:12:57,119
what i'm telling you is that speeding

3597
02:13:02,790 --> 02:12:59,199
is caused by attaching spirits and

3598
02:13:03,830 --> 02:13:02,800
everybody speeds 99 of the u.s public

3599
02:13:06,870 --> 02:13:03,840
speeds

3600
02:13:09,510 --> 02:13:06,880
so that's another crime that's caused by

3601
02:13:10,950 --> 02:13:09,520
attaching spirits and i'll stop on my

3602
02:13:12,790 --> 02:13:10,960
on my uh

3603
02:13:13,910 --> 02:13:12,800
i already gave you backaches headaches

3604
02:13:14,709 --> 02:13:13,920
speeding

3605
02:13:17,589 --> 02:13:14,719
war

3606
02:13:19,830 --> 02:13:17,599
terrorism

3607
02:13:22,550 --> 02:13:19,840
and

3608
02:13:24,149 --> 02:13:22,560
i could give you a bunch more but

3609
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:24,159
it's a it's a

3610
02:13:28,950 --> 02:13:26,000
logical place to stop

3611
02:13:31,189 --> 02:13:28,960
on the symptoms and what what attaching

3612
02:13:33,830 --> 02:13:31,199
spirits cause basically they cause

3613
02:13:36,069 --> 02:13:33,840
all the problems on this planet

3614
02:13:38,229 --> 02:13:36,079
and if we don't

3615
02:13:39,830 --> 02:13:38,239
acknowledge their presence and their

3616
02:13:41,910 --> 02:13:39,840
influence upon us and prove

3617
02:13:43,750 --> 02:13:41,920
scientifically that exists and figure

3618
02:13:45,109 --> 02:13:43,760
out a way to get rid of them while we're

3619
02:13:46,709 --> 02:13:45,119
here then we're not going to get rid of

3620
02:13:48,470 --> 02:13:46,719
the war we're not going to get rid of

3621
02:13:49,750 --> 02:13:48,480
the crime we're not going to get rid of

3622
02:13:51,109 --> 02:13:49,760
the poverty

3623
02:13:53,109 --> 02:13:51,119
and so the

3624
02:13:54,390 --> 02:13:53,119
human race will die off and the aliens

3625
02:13:56,470 --> 02:13:54,400
will never

3626
02:13:58,709 --> 02:13:56,480
come down and

3627
02:14:01,510 --> 02:13:58,719
interact with us and and

3628
02:14:04,149 --> 02:14:01,520
make us uh be a part of the larger

3629
02:14:05,510 --> 02:14:04,159
community that's how it's all connected

3630
02:14:07,189 --> 02:14:05,520
so

3631
02:14:09,669 --> 02:14:07,199
there's all your connections

3632
02:14:11,350 --> 02:14:09,679
mike uh so

3633
02:14:13,669 --> 02:14:11,360
would you uh what do you think if we

3634
02:14:15,189 --> 02:14:13,679
open this up for some q a so that

3635
02:14:16,550 --> 02:14:15,199
because you've talked for you know quite

3636
02:14:18,470 --> 02:14:16,560
a length i'm pretty sure if there's

3637
02:14:20,069 --> 02:14:18,480
people having questions that just been

3638
02:14:22,229 --> 02:14:20,079
you know tapping their fingers waiting

3639
02:14:25,669 --> 02:14:22,239
for a chance

3640
02:14:27,189 --> 02:14:25,679
sure okay so well um so i guess for

3641
02:14:30,310 --> 02:14:27,199
everyone watching we're going to get

3642
02:14:33,430 --> 02:14:30,320
into q a now so to give all of you a

3643
02:14:35,830 --> 02:14:33,440
chance to submit uh your questions or to

3644
02:14:37,910 --> 02:14:35,840
join on telegram to ask questions that

3645
02:14:40,069 --> 02:14:37,920
way i'm going to ask

3646
02:14:41,350 --> 02:14:40,079
another question of of mike and

3647
02:14:43,669 --> 02:14:41,360
hopefully they'll give you enough time

3648
02:14:46,229 --> 02:14:43,679
to submit your questions um so the

3649
02:14:48,310 --> 02:14:46,239
question i had uh mike regarding contact

3650
02:14:51,589 --> 02:14:48,320
itself do you

3651
02:14:54,149 --> 02:14:51,599
um have you still have you had any um

3652
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:54,159
you know experiences since the you know

3653
02:14:59,109 --> 02:14:55,840
the initial two and then you you didn't

3654
02:15:01,510 --> 02:14:59,119
get into the uh you said peru

3655
02:15:03,750 --> 02:15:01,520
okay so i'll go over the

3656
02:15:06,950 --> 02:15:03,760
if you want i'll go over the peruvian

3657
02:15:09,189 --> 02:15:06,960
uh encounter yeah just uh uh briefly

3658
02:15:10,870 --> 02:15:09,199
just just just briefly because then

3659
02:15:12,310 --> 02:15:10,880
they'll be waiting again to be able to

3660
02:15:13,109 --> 02:15:12,320
ask you a question

3661
02:15:15,430 --> 02:15:13,119
well

3662
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:15,440
uh we were standing outside the the back

3663
02:15:20,229 --> 02:15:16,719
side of this

3664
02:15:23,669 --> 02:15:20,239
uh big thatched hut this huge building

3665
02:15:25,830 --> 02:15:23,679
that we lived in and uh

3666
02:15:29,830 --> 02:15:25,840
and

3667
02:15:31,350 --> 02:15:29,840
men

3668
02:15:32,709 --> 02:15:31,360
and one woman

3669
02:15:35,030 --> 02:15:32,719
and

3670
02:15:36,550 --> 02:15:35,040
it was at least three other men

3671
02:15:38,950 --> 02:15:36,560
one young guy

3672
02:15:41,189 --> 02:15:38,960
one of them looked up and saw

3673
02:15:43,750 --> 02:15:41,199
this craft and

3674
02:15:45,990 --> 02:15:43,760
and it's a very long encounter but

3675
02:15:49,109 --> 02:15:46,000
basically we all three of us

3676
02:15:51,109 --> 02:15:49,119
saw it and there was a lady there

3677
02:15:53,830 --> 02:15:51,119
that

3678
02:15:55,910 --> 02:15:53,840
she was the therapist for the young boy

3679
02:15:58,149 --> 02:15:55,920
or younger boy i should say

3680
02:15:59,430 --> 02:15:58,159
one of the people that saw it and she

3681
02:16:01,990 --> 02:15:59,440
wouldn't come over look at it she was

3682
02:16:03,589 --> 02:16:02,000
just like the guys in the in the car she

3683
02:16:05,270 --> 02:16:03,599
didn't care if there was an alien craft

3684
02:16:06,390 --> 02:16:05,280
up in the sky or not she wasn't gonna

3685
02:16:08,229 --> 02:16:06,400
come and look

3686
02:16:10,310 --> 02:16:08,239
and uh anyway

3687
02:16:11,510 --> 02:16:10,320
uh that that's a very long can which i

3688
02:16:13,430 --> 02:16:11,520
won't go through because you want me to

3689
02:16:15,030 --> 02:16:13,440
answer more questions but the answer she

3690
02:16:19,669 --> 02:16:15,040
has i've had

3691
02:16:23,430 --> 02:16:21,510
sorry i'm um

3692
02:16:25,270 --> 02:16:23,440
at the same time i'm trying to type up a

3693
02:16:26,950 --> 02:16:25,280
message for everyone else in chat while

3694
02:16:29,750 --> 02:16:26,960
you were talking

3695
02:16:34,870 --> 02:16:29,760
let me see him i guess i can tell him

3696
02:16:37,589 --> 02:16:35,830
do you

3697
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:37,599
regarding um

3698
02:16:43,190 --> 02:16:39,679
because i know you only mentioned one

3699
02:16:45,990 --> 02:16:43,200
correlation regarding the the aliens and

3700
02:16:47,589 --> 02:16:46,000
attaching spirits and that's the only

3701
02:16:49,910 --> 02:16:47,599
one that you could draw if i didn't

3702
02:16:50,629 --> 02:16:49,920
understand you correctly um

3703
02:16:52,709 --> 02:16:50,639
but

3704
02:16:55,270 --> 02:16:52,719
do you ever do you ever consider for

3705
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:55,280
example some some of these actions that

3706
02:16:58,709 --> 02:16:56,080
we

3707
02:17:02,150 --> 02:16:58,719
take as attaching spirits to actually be

3708
02:17:05,669 --> 02:17:03,270
well

3709
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:05,679
um the other connection between aliens

3710
02:17:10,870 --> 02:17:08,080
and attaching spirits is

3711
02:17:11,750 --> 02:17:10,880
some attaching spirits are aliens

3712
02:17:14,790 --> 02:17:11,760
so

3713
02:17:18,709 --> 02:17:17,190
i didn't get into it but there's

3714
02:17:20,709 --> 02:17:18,719
there's a book called return from

3715
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:20,719
tomorrow written by a guy named with the

3716
02:17:25,030 --> 02:17:22,559
name of george richie

3717
02:17:27,349 --> 02:17:25,040
and it's basically a very long

3718
02:17:29,030 --> 02:17:27,359
out of body experience and

3719
02:17:31,589 --> 02:17:29,040
um

3720
02:17:33,990 --> 02:17:31,599
and in that

3721
02:17:35,190 --> 02:17:34,000
out of body experience he's this guy's

3722
02:17:37,349 --> 02:17:35,200
taken

3723
02:17:40,230 --> 02:17:37,359
uh to a bar

3724
02:17:43,669 --> 02:17:40,240
where men are competing to see how

3725
02:17:46,950 --> 02:17:43,679
quickly they can get drunk and he sees

3726
02:17:48,870 --> 02:17:46,960
ex-humans that are dead you know ghosts

3727
02:17:50,309 --> 02:17:48,880
that liked being drunk while they're

3728
02:17:51,990 --> 02:17:50,319
alive

3729
02:17:53,110 --> 02:17:52,000
uh who are now

3730
02:17:54,629 --> 02:17:53,120
a ghost

3731
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:54,639
and they still want to get drunk so

3732
02:17:59,190 --> 02:17:56,160
they're hanging out bars waiting for

3733
02:18:01,190 --> 02:17:59,200
guys to get pass out from getting drunk

3734
02:18:02,870 --> 02:18:01,200
so they can get in and attach themselves

3735
02:18:04,870 --> 02:18:02,880
to that human

3736
02:18:07,429 --> 02:18:04,880
so it's basically humans attaching to

3737
02:18:10,709 --> 02:18:07,439
humans so some attaching spirits are

3738
02:18:11,910 --> 02:18:10,719
human ex-human goes somewhere demonic

3739
02:18:15,349 --> 02:18:11,920
like mine

3740
02:18:17,270 --> 02:18:15,359
some are alien there's a book called um

3741
02:18:20,870 --> 02:18:17,280
close encounters of the

3742
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:23,349
which talks about aliens attaching to

3743
02:18:26,549 --> 02:18:24,559
people

3744
02:18:29,429 --> 02:18:26,559
so some attaching spirits are aliens

3745
02:18:30,790 --> 02:18:29,439
some are ghosts some are demons some are

3746
02:18:32,549 --> 02:18:30,800
earth spirits

3747
02:18:34,549 --> 02:18:32,559
mine are called

3748
02:18:36,709 --> 02:18:34,559
uh was the one in my head was described

3749
02:18:38,709 --> 02:18:36,719
as an imp an imp is

3750
02:18:39,830 --> 02:18:38,719
if you look up imp and

3751
02:18:41,270 --> 02:18:39,840
wiki

3752
02:18:44,150 --> 02:18:41,280
it's

3753
02:18:47,030 --> 02:18:44,160
both describe an emphasis described as

3754
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:47,040
a small demon or a earth spirit so it

3755
02:18:50,950 --> 02:18:49,439
could be an earth spirit or demon

3756
02:18:53,110 --> 02:18:50,960
and so you've got

3757
02:18:55,429 --> 02:18:53,120
earth spirits that are very dark and

3758
02:18:57,030 --> 02:18:55,439
their spirits they're not so dark

3759
02:18:59,110 --> 02:18:57,040
and so you have earth spirits that can

3760
02:19:01,190 --> 02:18:59,120
attach you've got ghosts you've got

3761
02:19:03,509 --> 02:19:01,200
demons you've got aliens these can all

3762
02:19:05,110 --> 02:19:03,519
be attaching spirits so that's another

3763
02:19:06,709 --> 02:19:05,120
connection between

3764
02:19:09,349 --> 02:19:06,719
aliens and attaching spirits because

3765
02:19:11,190 --> 02:19:09,359
some attaching spirits are aliens

3766
02:19:13,750 --> 02:19:11,200
and they've had

3767
02:19:15,589 --> 02:19:13,760
they've had a number of hypnotherapists

3768
02:19:18,230 --> 02:19:15,599
who've

3769
02:19:21,110 --> 02:19:18,240
been clearing people

3770
02:19:23,669 --> 02:19:21,120
with hypnotherapy and they'll start

3771
02:19:26,469 --> 02:19:23,679
talking to an alien

3772
02:19:28,790 --> 02:19:26,479
and it's an alien they're attaching not

3773
02:19:30,389 --> 02:19:28,800
not a demon not a human not a something

3774
02:19:32,389 --> 02:19:30,399
else but an alien

3775
02:19:35,589 --> 02:19:32,399
and so aliens that can be attaching

3776
02:19:37,750 --> 02:19:35,599
spirits so there's another connection

3777
02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:37,760
yeah thanks for clarifying

3778
02:19:43,509 --> 02:19:40,479
uh so one of the questions from edward

3779
02:19:47,030 --> 02:19:43,519
sosa is hey charles what do you think of

3780
02:19:50,309 --> 02:19:49,190
charles upton

3781
02:19:51,750 --> 02:19:50,319
oh

3782
02:19:54,950 --> 02:19:51,760
um

3783
02:19:55,670 --> 02:19:54,960
i vaguely know who he's talking about

3784
02:19:58,469 --> 02:19:55,680
but

3785
02:19:59,510 --> 02:19:58,479
i think i've listened to one of his

3786
02:20:03,190 --> 02:19:59,520
talks

3787
02:20:04,950 --> 02:20:03,200
if you want to remind me

3788
02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:04,960
what he's about i'll

3789
02:20:10,070 --> 02:20:07,920
make a better answer because i i do

3790
02:20:11,990 --> 02:20:10,080
remember listening to him somebody

3791
02:20:13,830 --> 02:20:12,000
interviewed him recently

3792
02:20:15,429 --> 02:20:13,840
and i watched that

3793
02:20:17,349 --> 02:20:15,439
that interview but i don't remember what

3794
02:20:19,429 --> 02:20:17,359
he was talking about

3795
02:20:21,429 --> 02:20:19,439
well i'm not i'm no i'm not familiar

3796
02:20:22,309 --> 02:20:21,439
with them either but um edward if you

3797
02:20:24,950 --> 02:20:22,319
can

3798
02:20:28,070 --> 02:20:24,960
um maybe write up something real quick

3799
02:20:31,910 --> 02:20:28,080
and um just explain who charles is so i

3800
02:20:34,630 --> 02:20:31,920
can then uh maybe refresh mike's memory

3801
02:20:37,030 --> 02:20:34,640
well i mean i can google it and oh for a

3802
02:20:38,950 --> 02:20:37,040
second a second you went dark um okay

3803
02:20:45,190 --> 02:20:38,960
you're still here

3804
02:20:50,150 --> 02:20:48,790
i can tell you what he's about if

3805
02:20:52,790 --> 02:20:50,160
i get

3806
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:52,800
let's see i should probably go to

3807
02:20:57,349 --> 02:20:55,600
youtube and youtube it not google it

3808
02:21:00,469 --> 02:20:57,359
because

3809
02:21:02,710 --> 02:21:00,479
um edward says aliens is about alien

3810
02:21:03,990 --> 02:21:02,720
alien and demons i don't know if that

3811
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:04,000
helps

3812
02:21:08,550 --> 02:21:06,640
he's right uh the guy i did remember

3813
02:21:11,510 --> 02:21:08,560
watching i've got an image of him on my

3814
02:21:13,349 --> 02:21:11,520
computer now so okay can you uh please i

3815
02:21:15,349 --> 02:21:13,359
have have another screen up that has

3816
02:21:16,710 --> 02:21:15,359
more light because you're pretty dark

3817
02:21:17,990 --> 02:21:16,720
now

3818
02:21:19,429 --> 02:21:18,000
because initially i think you had your

3819
02:21:20,550 --> 02:21:19,439
computer screen wasn't something

3820
02:21:22,790 --> 02:21:20,560
brighter

3821
02:21:25,830 --> 02:21:22,800
better

3822
02:21:28,230 --> 02:21:25,840
um yeah it has it's a bit of a harsh

3823
02:21:29,510 --> 02:21:28,240
shadow now

3824
02:21:31,429 --> 02:21:29,520
uh

3825
02:21:35,590 --> 02:21:31,439
hold on

3826
02:21:38,790 --> 02:21:37,349
did you did you have dark mode on on

3827
02:21:41,270 --> 02:21:38,800
your computer

3828
02:21:42,150 --> 02:21:41,280
no i just brought it i googled

3829
02:21:43,750 --> 02:21:42,160
uh

3830
02:21:46,630 --> 02:21:43,760
charles upton

3831
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:46,640
okay that works we got you back again

3832
02:21:51,830 --> 02:21:47,680
all right

3833
02:21:56,950 --> 02:21:53,110
i

3834
02:21:58,070 --> 02:21:56,960
demons and

3835
02:22:00,469 --> 02:21:58,080
aliens

3836
02:22:02,389 --> 02:22:00,479
and i don't remember his message

3837
02:22:04,870 --> 02:22:02,399
i remember he does talk about both of

3838
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:04,880
them but i don't remember what he

3839
02:22:09,030 --> 02:22:06,800
what he said it must not have impressed

3840
02:22:10,389 --> 02:22:09,040
me much but if

3841
02:22:12,469 --> 02:22:10,399
the actual

3842
02:22:13,510 --> 02:22:12,479
gist of what his

3843
02:22:14,870 --> 02:22:13,520
what he was

3844
02:22:17,910 --> 02:22:14,880
what he says

3845
02:22:19,590 --> 02:22:17,920
if i knew that then i could comment on

3846
02:22:21,429 --> 02:22:19,600
what i thought about his

3847
02:22:23,670 --> 02:22:21,439
what he's saying

3848
02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:23,680
much more intelligently i do remember he

3849
02:22:27,990 --> 02:22:25,680
talked about aliens and demons but i

3850
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:28,000
don't remember exactly what he said

3851
02:22:32,309 --> 02:22:30,880
honestly right okay the problem with a

3852
02:22:33,990 --> 02:22:32,319
lot of people

3853
02:22:35,670 --> 02:22:34,000
who talk about

3854
02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:35,680
various different things whether it's

3855
02:22:41,750 --> 02:22:38,800
aliens or demons is that they

3856
02:22:44,710 --> 02:22:41,760
they uh base their

3857
02:22:46,870 --> 02:22:44,720
information on religion and not facts

3858
02:22:48,309 --> 02:22:46,880
and i'm not saying religion is total bs

3859
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:48,319
i'm just saying

3860
02:22:53,110 --> 02:22:50,960
that there's a lot of things in the

3861
02:22:54,950 --> 02:22:53,120
bible

3862
02:22:57,590 --> 02:22:54,960
that aren't true like

3863
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:57,600
like for instance it tells you

3864
02:23:02,950 --> 02:23:00,319
that you should be nice to your slaves

3865
02:23:06,230 --> 02:23:02,960
well that's implying that god is okay

3866
02:23:08,870 --> 02:23:06,240
with slavery which i don't believe

3867
02:23:10,710 --> 02:23:08,880
so if god is not okay with slavery then

3868
02:23:13,510 --> 02:23:10,720
why would he tell you to be nice to your

3869
02:23:15,590 --> 02:23:13,520
slaves if he's not okay with slavery

3870
02:23:18,469 --> 02:23:15,600
so you get kind of get my drift i think

3871
02:23:20,710 --> 02:23:18,479
that a lot of the bible is

3872
02:23:23,030 --> 02:23:20,720
the moors of that day

3873
02:23:25,190 --> 02:23:23,040
and uh

3874
02:23:27,349 --> 02:23:25,200
you know um

3875
02:23:29,190 --> 02:23:27,359
the mores change

3876
02:23:30,150 --> 02:23:29,200
uh there was a time in human history

3877
02:23:32,950 --> 02:23:30,160
where

3878
02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:32,960
if you weren't married by the age of 14

3879
02:23:37,750 --> 02:23:34,720
you were considered over the hill well

3880
02:23:39,910 --> 02:23:37,760
today 14 is a crime

3881
02:23:41,910 --> 02:23:39,920
back then 14 was

3882
02:23:44,309 --> 02:23:41,920
you need to be married by 14 because you

3883
02:23:45,510 --> 02:23:44,319
died by the age of 30. you know lifespan

3884
02:23:46,870 --> 02:23:45,520
was short

3885
02:23:49,110 --> 02:23:46,880
so

3886
02:23:51,510 --> 02:23:49,120
it was okay to marry early because you

3887
02:23:52,710 --> 02:23:51,520
didn't live that long today we live much

3888
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:52,720
longer life

3889
02:23:57,590 --> 02:23:56,160
so we've arbitrarily decided that 18 is

3890
02:23:59,590 --> 02:23:57,600
when it's legal

3891
02:24:01,830 --> 02:23:59,600
so the mores change

3892
02:24:04,630 --> 02:24:01,840
because the circumstances change

3893
02:24:06,950 --> 02:24:04,640
and a lot of what's in the bible is the

3894
02:24:08,309 --> 02:24:06,960
mores of that day

3895
02:24:09,990 --> 02:24:08,319
and

3896
02:24:11,990 --> 02:24:10,000
like for instance now you're not

3897
02:24:14,550 --> 02:24:12,000
supposed to have more than one wife

3898
02:24:16,790 --> 02:24:14,560
well there are many people

3899
02:24:18,710 --> 02:24:16,800
and you know there were kings

3900
02:24:20,790 --> 02:24:18,720
king david was one of

3901
02:24:22,150 --> 02:24:20,800
god's favorites and he had quite a few

3902
02:24:23,590 --> 02:24:22,160
wives

3903
02:24:25,349 --> 02:24:23,600
so you know

3904
02:24:27,510 --> 02:24:25,359
more change

3905
02:24:29,270 --> 02:24:27,520
and the idea of what is proper and not

3906
02:24:31,910 --> 02:24:29,280
proper changes

3907
02:24:34,469 --> 02:24:31,920
and if you base your

3908
02:24:36,630 --> 02:24:34,479
views of reality on a book

3909
02:24:38,790 --> 02:24:36,640
that's set in a

3910
02:24:40,469 --> 02:24:38,800
particular time frame

3911
02:24:43,830 --> 02:24:40,479
of history

3912
02:24:46,309 --> 02:24:43,840
then that limits your understanding to

3913
02:24:49,590 --> 02:24:46,319
the understanding of those days

3914
02:24:51,110 --> 02:24:49,600
which is limited very limited in itself

3915
02:24:53,030 --> 02:24:51,120
so i

3916
02:24:54,469 --> 02:24:53,040
i'm not speaking about charles upton

3917
02:24:55,910 --> 02:24:54,479
because i don't really know what he said

3918
02:24:57,349 --> 02:24:55,920
i don't remember what he said because it

3919
02:24:59,190 --> 02:24:57,359
didn't impress me

3920
02:25:01,110 --> 02:24:59,200
but i'm not sure if he said aliens were

3921
02:25:02,309 --> 02:25:01,120
demons or

3922
02:25:03,830 --> 02:25:02,319
i can tell you

3923
02:25:05,349 --> 02:25:03,840
along those lines

3924
02:25:08,550 --> 02:25:05,359
do you know who

3925
02:25:12,710 --> 02:25:10,870
sounds familiar but like i don't i don't

3926
02:25:14,550 --> 02:25:12,720
think i could speak about him

3927
02:25:17,590 --> 02:25:14,560
okay so daryl sims

3928
02:25:19,510 --> 02:25:17,600
is houston ufo network he's the

3929
02:25:21,429 --> 02:25:19,520
he's called the alien hunter

3930
02:25:26,230 --> 02:25:21,439
and he's an abductee

3931
02:25:29,349 --> 02:25:26,240
and he uh he was actually the therapist

3932
02:25:31,510 --> 02:25:29,359
for my client before i saw her

3933
02:25:34,230 --> 02:25:31,520
she was a previous client of his he

3934
02:25:36,950 --> 02:25:34,240
lived in houston or lives in houston

3935
02:25:39,830 --> 02:25:36,960
and he's

3936
02:25:41,510 --> 02:25:39,840
always talking about how the aliens are

3937
02:25:43,510 --> 02:25:41,520
pretty much all evil

3938
02:25:44,550 --> 02:25:43,520
you know there he doesn't

3939
02:25:46,469 --> 02:25:44,560
um

3940
02:25:47,750 --> 02:25:46,479
what he says is that on very rare

3941
02:25:49,830 --> 02:25:47,760
occasions

3942
02:25:51,190 --> 02:25:49,840
when you're on a craft an angel will

3943
02:25:54,630 --> 02:25:51,200
actually appear

3944
02:25:55,990 --> 02:25:54,640
on the craft on very rare circumstances

3945
02:25:58,710 --> 02:25:56,000
and he says

3946
02:26:00,870 --> 02:25:58,720
believe me it uh it

3947
02:26:02,790 --> 02:26:00,880
how was he how was he putting it he said

3948
02:26:04,070 --> 02:26:02,800
he was

3949
02:26:07,110 --> 02:26:04,080
i don't know if it's him or somebody

3950
02:26:08,790 --> 02:26:07,120
else was on a craft and

3951
02:26:11,270 --> 02:26:08,800
the aliens were all around and all of a

3952
02:26:12,630 --> 02:26:11,280
sudden this demon comes in

3953
02:26:14,870 --> 02:26:12,640
and then

3954
02:26:16,870 --> 02:26:14,880
after the demon

3955
02:26:19,429 --> 02:26:16,880
oh it was a late it was a gross lady he

3956
02:26:21,030 --> 02:26:19,439
was talking about he said that this girl

3957
02:26:22,870 --> 02:26:21,040
was talking about she was surrounded by

3958
02:26:24,469 --> 02:26:22,880
all these different aliens and then this

3959
02:26:27,190 --> 02:26:24,479
demon came in

3960
02:26:27,830 --> 02:26:27,200
and then all of a sudden an angel came

3961
02:26:30,469 --> 02:26:27,840
in

3962
02:26:32,469 --> 02:26:30,479
right after the demon and stood by her

3963
02:26:36,469 --> 02:26:32,479
and then the demon took a hike real

3964
02:26:39,590 --> 02:26:37,910
and

3965
02:26:40,710 --> 02:26:39,600
was hoping the angel wasn't going to

3966
02:26:42,309 --> 02:26:40,720
basically

3967
02:26:43,750 --> 02:26:42,319
obliterate them

3968
02:26:45,670 --> 02:26:43,760
and

3969
02:26:48,790 --> 02:26:45,680
so

3970
02:26:50,070 --> 02:26:48,800
basically he ties the aliens with the

3971
02:26:53,110 --> 02:26:50,080
dark side

3972
02:26:58,550 --> 02:26:55,270
and

3973
02:27:00,870 --> 02:26:58,560
but he also says that he met christ

3974
02:27:04,389 --> 02:27:00,880
when he was young and

3975
02:27:07,429 --> 02:27:04,399
um he doesn't claim to be religious but

3976
02:27:08,550 --> 02:27:07,439
he does have a sort of religious bent

3977
02:27:10,230 --> 02:27:08,560
in his

3978
02:27:12,150 --> 02:27:10,240
uh

3979
02:27:14,070 --> 02:27:12,160
in his

3980
02:27:15,910 --> 02:27:14,080
views about aliens

3981
02:27:17,270 --> 02:27:15,920
so you know some people think that

3982
02:27:19,590 --> 02:27:17,280
aliens are all

3983
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:19,600
demons some think that

3984
02:27:23,750 --> 02:27:22,000
they're all evil

3985
02:27:25,270 --> 02:27:23,760
and he's like one of those people who

3986
02:27:26,550 --> 02:27:25,280
not it doesn't think they're demons but

3987
02:27:28,070 --> 02:27:26,560
he thinks they're

3988
02:27:30,870 --> 02:27:28,080
they're very dark

3989
02:27:33,590 --> 02:27:30,880
and uh not positive he doesn't believe

3990
02:27:35,590 --> 02:27:33,600
there's good aliens and bad aliens he

3991
02:27:37,270 --> 02:27:35,600
thinks they're all bad

3992
02:27:39,110 --> 02:27:37,280
and so

3993
02:27:41,110 --> 02:27:39,120
and they're all working together and

3994
02:27:41,990 --> 02:27:41,120
they do work together but

3995
02:27:43,349 --> 02:27:42,000
um

3996
02:27:45,349 --> 02:27:43,359
i'm not gonna

3997
02:27:47,990 --> 02:27:45,359
go with him and say they're all

3998
02:27:50,469 --> 02:27:48,000
evil they're all dark or whatever

3999
02:27:54,230 --> 02:27:50,479
i think the duality

4000
02:27:57,590 --> 02:27:54,240
exists beyond the earth and that

4001
02:27:59,190 --> 02:27:57,600
that aliens can be just like humans

4002
02:28:01,270 --> 02:27:59,200
there's you know

4003
02:28:04,710 --> 02:28:01,280
on earth there's jeffrey dahmer's and

4004
02:28:07,349 --> 02:28:04,720
there's mother teresa's so are humans

4005
02:28:10,550 --> 02:28:07,359
evil yes are they saints yes

4006
02:28:12,469 --> 02:28:10,560
are they in between yes it's all yes

4007
02:28:13,670 --> 02:28:12,479
so and this is we're just talking one

4008
02:28:15,110 --> 02:28:13,680
race here

4009
02:28:17,110 --> 02:28:15,120
so it's the same with all the other

4010
02:28:18,870 --> 02:28:17,120
races too they got individual

4011
02:28:21,510 --> 02:28:18,880
personalities and they all have

4012
02:28:24,070 --> 02:28:21,520
there's different uh

4013
02:28:26,150 --> 02:28:24,080
different agendas even with in one rate

4014
02:28:28,469 --> 02:28:26,160
within a single race and there's an

4015
02:28:29,990 --> 02:28:28,479
unlimited number of races

4016
02:28:32,150 --> 02:28:30,000
just like there's an unlimited number of

4017
02:28:33,270 --> 02:28:32,160
stars

4018
02:28:36,230 --> 02:28:33,280
okay

4019
02:28:38,309 --> 02:28:36,240
well um uh mike thanks very much it

4020
02:28:40,230 --> 02:28:38,319
seems like everyone else just wants to

4021
02:28:42,710 --> 02:28:40,240
watch and not necessarily take a chance

4022
02:28:45,349 --> 02:28:42,720
to ask you a question but even if

4023
02:28:47,590 --> 02:28:45,359
someone is watching this afterwards

4024
02:28:49,670 --> 02:28:47,600
of course in the description below

4025
02:28:51,750 --> 02:28:49,680
mike has his website and all this other

4026
02:28:53,670 --> 02:28:51,760
information so i certainly hope you

4027
02:28:55,830 --> 02:28:53,680
contact him there or submit some

4028
02:28:59,349 --> 02:28:55,840
questions or just check out anything

4029
02:29:01,510 --> 02:28:59,359
else he has to offer so mike um

4030
02:29:04,230 --> 02:29:01,520
i figured um you know just a good

4031
02:29:05,910 --> 02:29:04,240
stopping point and um i thought maybe

4032
02:29:08,550 --> 02:29:05,920
just as a conclusion if there's

4033
02:29:10,150 --> 02:29:08,560
something that you would like to finish

4034
02:29:11,910 --> 02:29:10,160
off with with the

4035
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:11,920
final message

4036
02:29:14,710 --> 02:29:13,040
well

4037
02:29:16,870 --> 02:29:14,720
the one thing we didn't talk about was

4038
02:29:18,710 --> 02:29:16,880
mind control and if you want in the

4039
02:29:20,070 --> 02:29:18,720
future if you want to have me on a

4040
02:29:22,389 --> 02:29:20,080
second time

4041
02:29:24,230 --> 02:29:22,399
i can spend quite a while talking about

4042
02:29:25,750 --> 02:29:24,240
that because i went through

4043
02:29:27,590 --> 02:29:25,760
an experience

4044
02:29:30,230 --> 02:29:27,600
that lasted a week

4045
02:29:33,270 --> 02:29:30,240
and it was all mind controlled stuff and

4046
02:29:34,870 --> 02:29:33,280
that's another topic and it takes a

4047
02:29:35,590 --> 02:29:34,880
while to go through all that information

4048
02:29:36,950 --> 02:29:35,600
so

4049
02:29:38,950 --> 02:29:36,960
if you want

4050
02:29:41,030 --> 02:29:38,960
down the road we can have another one

4051
02:29:42,389 --> 02:29:41,040
and talk about that

4052
02:29:44,070 --> 02:29:42,399
beyond that

4053
02:29:44,950 --> 02:29:44,080
i would say

4054
02:29:46,150 --> 02:29:44,960
that

4055
02:29:48,389 --> 02:29:46,160
i hope

4056
02:29:49,750 --> 02:29:48,399
people at some point

4057
02:29:51,429 --> 02:29:49,760
take heed of

4058
02:29:53,349 --> 02:29:51,439
my message about

4059
02:29:54,389 --> 02:29:53,359
attaching spirits causing all these

4060
02:29:56,389 --> 02:29:54,399
different

4061
02:29:59,110 --> 02:29:56,399
problems on earth and that we move

4062
02:30:01,740 --> 02:29:59,120
forward in that dream that i'm hoping we

4063
02:30:03,349 --> 02:30:01,750
can move forward in instead of

4064
02:30:05,110 --> 02:30:03,359
[Music]

4065
02:30:07,990 --> 02:30:05,120
instead of

4066
02:30:10,630 --> 02:30:08,000
going the way of we the way we have

4067
02:30:12,309 --> 02:30:10,640
several times already so that's my

4068
02:30:14,550 --> 02:30:12,319
message

4069
02:30:16,389 --> 02:30:14,560
all right well mike thanks for that um

4070
02:30:18,710 --> 02:30:16,399
so let me just address the audience real

4071
02:30:21,110 --> 02:30:18,720
quick don't hang up on me and then

4072
02:30:23,030 --> 02:30:21,120
we'll we'll chat a little after so

4073
02:30:26,070 --> 02:30:23,040
everyone else watching uh thanks very

4074
02:30:28,870 --> 02:30:26,080
much for joining us again all uh mike's

4075
02:30:30,150 --> 02:30:28,880
information is in the description below

4076
02:30:32,870 --> 02:30:30,160
and um

4077
02:30:35,349 --> 02:30:32,880
uh next week i'm going to have sherry

4078
02:30:38,150 --> 02:30:35,359
wild on and i've already pre-scheduled

4079
02:30:40,630 --> 02:30:38,160
some other interviews i can't um the

4080
02:30:43,349 --> 02:30:40,640
only time i can do them is pretty much

4081
02:30:45,110 --> 02:30:43,359
um for this month only on fridays

4082
02:30:47,270 --> 02:30:45,120
anything else in the future just check

4083
02:30:50,790 --> 02:30:47,280
out the channel and you'll see who's

4084
02:30:53,110 --> 02:30:50,800
coming up and what's going on so mike

4085
02:30:55,030 --> 02:30:53,120
thanks again everyone else watching